Father and Son

" Well we're pleased now to be -- not only pushed by President Bush the current President Bush but by his father. Mr. President for one welcome as a -- believe this is the first time -- Jolo Rubin interviewed together. I think so maybe the first time we've asked to be in. Well -- am delighted to have you thank you very much. Is that true we've just. Gone our separate ways Infiniti. And so sense. Is that these scenes that during. Your son's presidency. That why you guys I was there were in touch -- family matters much to discuss. That. That apart from that there was a lot of give and take the truth."

" That's solid case for give and take from me you don't need you mean you like calling up dead -- I mean George you're treachery -- now on in Iraq are coming I didn't do that. And we sometimes have talked about policy. That I was determined to stay out of his way. And the noise speculation. Alessio guy thing human. --"

" Well now can be told. And discuss if you will. Both of you. The extent of your consultations. On policy and political matters is one -- for an."

" if anything is. That a president. Has got plenty of advisers but what -- president never -- this is someone who gain unconditional love. And therefore when I talked to my dad I was more interested in the father son relationship. You got a lot of people can give you advice. But you rarely have people who can pick up the phones today. I love you son or hang in their son and be and provide the kind of comfort. That. You know president. Needs on occasion."

" You have said. That when your father was president. The -- toward the end. Rough year politically 1990. That it does that hurt you -- and it seemed to hurt him. That's true why should -- in the sound the president has a lot harder than being the president that I have a real -- of the present. Tough -- only when you see criticism you know is very unfair. But I didn't I try not to speak up and it may just exacerbate the problem for him. But when I saw things I knew were grossly unfair in the press. In the print. Anywhere. It hurt it hurt barber and her mate that is better not to go forth and Sally forth in. Try to take the well did urge you more than the criticism you took as president. I think it hurt more. You still owe it to her -- little."

" Gosh I was furious. I got to refuse to -- stuff about him -- I got the reputation being slightly. And at times and you know as an -- characteristic. Because I was ready to do get out. When I saw people say things that we're unfair about it and the other thing is interesting is so I can remember gone. He and mom said don't worry about me and without -- that they were taken on. You know the anxiety and and and knew it was like to have somebody love. Being hammered in the press. And so I spent a fair amount of time as I recall. Concert of the words that mean things you can find my spirits are good Lars doing great. And if I you know I think people should have to say -- some kind of you know relationship that is still very clinical and very -- history to have to that this is a loving relationship this is going you know he -- he's ahead of a fabulous family. And whether -- is the president or Jeb is governor Neil Marvin girl. Dad's phone calls are not you know you must do this or that his phone calls -- I love you -- its -- and it's very powerful."

" Now here's your son is grace's -- is the way from. You regard as president. Very. And I think why I think that's true but could you make it tough decisions stable and it. He's been tested unlike any other president of its 9/11."

" So."

" You pass that test."

" You Regis great to. He would say he was almost too humbled to be president. And when history finally gets objective. They will be able to say a lot of positive things about George Bush I I I cannot worry you know I tell people I'm still waiting. Biographies of George Washington. Our analyses of his presidency if there's still write about the first -- the 41 guy in the 43 guy simply don't need to worry about it."

" We won't be around to worry about it that's for sure. Now I see -- alone -- them -- McCain. And as a condition going to get better and you're cute because when you be. Businesses remnants of operations there. We have sort -- from the old they understand about -- the the it's is no I don't no pain no we don't have no. I think had an imbalance that it came from the back copper. But as Jason. Is it true that he said publicly that you're gonna jump Bradley airplane again through. At that -- take anything but just beyond that there are some big strapped on to some big -- shaman and it's a thrill. You have trouble convincing motherhood no value what do you think of it one who didn't -- to jump out of an airplane. At age 707580. And 85 planet actually it's it's cool -- go to their reasons. You know want to sit around this that you're no guide drooling and that Connor and secondly -- want to send a message out. Around the world actually because of the prominence of the presidency. That you still do stuff -- guys who still lives that Vietnam and that he can truly enjoy competition into. It now."

" Here if you fear here in Houston."

" You've chosen Dallas yes that's what's up with well I want to be close this Indian. And that's where our. You know policy specialist library -- circus me. Okay else can actually do hopefully come to Houston. Did you hope that he -- confusion now I never I never thought he wouldn't. Let's Houston's two hours away from coming Dallas is two hours away from Crawford. And happens in Washington and Crawford and Laura had to balance connections. And make sense."

" Now only a few little bit about the intelligence agency situation. -- all you came as an outsider. Two intelligence government chosen profession. And they get the building up their -- you so obviously to work. Your thoughts about. Not the Panetta nomination of them selection specifically about but the general idea what it takes it and two to run intelligence agency."

" I heard what the president said in his interview with you and I agree with that there's so many outstanding people there. And so I went in there -- the agency was under tremendous fire. -- report in the church report never just decimating that morality agency side you might have not. Learn all the trade craft but to defend the quality and character of the agency and the people there. And that was perhaps an easier Simon and knowing all about every entry of intelligence. I hope is that whoever goes out there. Goes with confidence in the CI AP and the people around CIA. They're good people. More Ph.D.s in -- many universities. And many different discipline. And I everybody just think that Kevin James Bond operation. And side. I think it. Whoever. Assumes that that has great confidence in the presence that. Well well expressed confidence in the agency. And and that the people that make it out."

" Talk a little bit if you will about this relationship among people who are in or have been in this remarkable job. It's a pretty exclusive club. And you at a lunch this week. To bring them together with with the president elect. But what is what is on the Senate must feel like I'm hopeful presence all the little political differences aside -- over with."

" I think so and I think everyone everyone. Member of that club realizes that can only when president. He's not going to be. Turning view every day saying what I do now. As you -- real out of Canada. Intellectual books for what we need is that -- formalize the advice of former president. Apparently and they don't have a lot of advice from former president. And he's -- the current president needs have good people around him to help him pursue the goals he set out. And so I don't I don't think there's much to it except -- collegiality. And the idea that you know you ought to be out there he needs support. Now."

" You watched you -- range of appointments. With Barack Obama -- your take your field I've been impressed. Line. Because what they should secessionist to he has picked people that are capable and confident people. And I think he's had a very good transition and frankly I think Josh Bolten and my chief of staff and the people that are working in the White House. Have also had a good transition because they have reached out to. And the president elect's team at all levels. And the message is you know we want there to be a seamless move. From. From -- you coming in and we -- watching this city and -- I've been very pleased with what I've seen over the -- since election you grew up. --"

" Totally. And I didn't know and then. Payment policy act after a bullet or looking at that this is the very like you and like you as well. To refrain from comment on. Other -- political figures. In -- president -- Why. -- acquire privately after looking actors carping and criticizing and and know everything. I mean. -- heard the president said about president Obama president elect Obama feel the same way supporter Marie camp. And don't go out there criticizing carping. You look smaller yourself for one thing but that's not the main reason Mandarin he needs support. And if it's some you disagree with violently. Sit on the sidelines and shut out."

" It is playing an opportunity for cable car trust -- and that's a good job this as their -- well anybody it's. Did you get plenty of opinions when you're the president and you get plenty of you know flattering statements and you get your fair share of not so complimentary comments. I and I also remember what it was like to have people disappoint you mean -- you you beginning you'll be picking up the newspaper and reading comments from people that. He just say I just can't believe that that person would be. You know it's kind of so kind of so kind of not respectful. Of their own office much -- years. Carlos can names and add that to me that has been the biggest disappointment in the political process appear there's been this kind of bitterness by a few people. To the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or civil discussion about policy they just want to use them."

" And you think that's gotten worse he judicial and others got more and its its offensive. Very offensive. Always. I agree with president that if -- when you have somebody have your own trust them. And that person. For his own gain I think for his own game goes out and his here's the inside story for their shame but here's the truly have. -- that playing the lead game it's just horrible and every administration has that. I think President George Bush cares had been lucky to have been that many and I think we're pretty --"

" When you left this office. It was reported at least that it was who took away had a period of adjustment and it was tough for you first. And then so you could strident your life. How was that and what advice do you have for your son as he embarks on storage."

" Looking back lo those many years under remembers being extraordinarily difficult. I mean that I felt unfulfilled agenda for. Things. But once she got back to Texas it wasn't the focus villages started news and new life. And part of mine was it was to build around our library. Texas and then just the way he's looking forward to having his library if he gets a lot of strength from there you bring a lot of people Eric. So it's it's it's not that difficult. His fastest come back to Texas. They need to give it that's exactly where we're. Yeah that people hover around. Potomac river. And senators and congressmen that have been defeated it and that your home. From I think. Well thank you sir good."