Gay Rights Grievance

" Unlike ban against gay marriage and now evangelical mega pastor. Rick Warren is also president elect Obama's pick. To deliver a religious invocation at January 20 presidential inauguration. And that has got some liberal groups screaming out in protest about this -- Douglas Kennedy has all the back. -- Martha they're screaming out in protest and her screaming directly at Barack Obama to scream fest the president elect says he welcomes. As he says he tries to bring change to Washington. I can't imagine."

" Part of the magic of this country has moved. The purse and noisy and opinion David today the president elected here and just how noisy and to -- alienated some parts of the country are."

" Then late gays and lesbians were upset Obama invited evangelical pastor Rick Warren to -- the -- vacations at his inauguration. I think the good the bad and her life and I still love you think Obama however is standing by his decisions. It is important that. For America to come together. Even though we may have disagreements. On certain social issues war and his head of the saddleback church in California. And recently came out strongly in favor of proposition eight. A ballot measure which now bans gay marriage in the Golden State. In which gay and lesbian groups say is blatant discrimination. Spell Obama says an inauguration. Isn't time to bring people together so help me god we're not going to agree. On every single issue. But what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere when we know where we can disagree. Without being disagreeable senator. Barack Obama and that's exactly the atmosphere Obama says Warren created for him when he invited Obama to speak directly to his evangelical congregation two years ago. At that time Obama says Warren was well aware of the two fundamentally disagreed on social issues."

" Nevertheless I have nothing to speak and that dialogue. I think is part of what my campaign's been all about. The world yeah."

" Obama points out he has other reverence performing ceremonies who do believe in gay marriage and you also have different opinions -- Rick Warren. He says he simply trying to be true to his campaign promises but obviously some of his supporters Martha feel abandoned."

" All right Douglas thank you very interesting at piece have a good background for this discussion so is this man considered. A snub to the gay community or is -- Obama really trying to create a cool by moment on his big day joining me now is democratic. Consultant and president of the tattered group list chatted and Tony Perkins president of the family research council a good to have both of you here tonight."

" Liz you into this pick in the state. A do you think this -- was a mistake in what I think is interesting about it is in his attempt to apparently have unity he's chosen someone who's very divisive and clearly it's it's -- there's nothing more you can say that it today -- to two major constituency groups. That really were a big part of the voting bloc for Barack Obama pro choice voters. And people who support gay rights and gay marriage. And why he did it is what doesn't make any sense to -- I don't think that the religious right is gonna come be Barack Obama fans and joined the yes he can't train because this plane is giving the invocation and yet he is managed to really make angry some very important constituency groups I don't know why he did it I don't think it speaks to inclusion it speaks to -- here but what you live why don't you see it as saying you know sort of a tolerance for people of different beliefs. Well because -- at triple because it mr. Moore is in a very tolerant person when he speaks about these visions of dollar in fact there's not a whole -- difference between Rick Warren and James Dobson who isn't considered very tolerant person these issues either this isn't a pic of tolerance. I again I can't quite figure out why. President elect Obama chose this except that there is something in this man's background that speaks to Senator Obama and I appreciate that. However this isn't very did visit day and there's just no getting around that Tony Perkins -- bank."

" Well this is instructive that I have better definition of tolerance agreeing with me. And any that look I think that Barack Obama did something very instructive I think it's instructive here on a couple of fronts one. I I think this shows the power relationship now do I agree to a Barack Obama does Rick Warren agree Barack Obama on all the policy issues no but they have a friendship. And I think that says that that shows that there can be a discussion even when there are some very fundamental difference the differences on these policy issues. I think Rocco Ramo was right to invite him and I think Rick Warren was right to accept the invitation I would've done the same. I think it's also very instructive when you look at how. The homosexual community is responding. And in fact it was very fascinating to see Joe Sony's with the human rights campaign writing a letter Barack Obama decrying this pick saying that. You know Rick Warren -- daring proposition eight during that campaign saying that. Passage of same sex marriage. Would somehow infringe upon religious liberties. And what do we have here. That the homosexual community wanting to exclude someone because their faith says that same sex marriage is wrong. Very clear very instructive in what is at stake here in this public policy debate."

" You know I think the live music hugely popular pastor. He runs one of the biggest churches in the entire country obviously there's a lot of people who think very highly of him. So doesn't this say that Barack Obama wants to accuse somebody. Who is in with popular and who is able to speak to a huge number of people in this country in a way that you know makes them feel pretty good about the country."

" Why -- I have respect for what Rick Warren has done with his own church however what I think we all have a problem with is giving him a platform in enormous platform. At this inauguration and -- did not raging not crediting his I think it."

" I'd be divisive and I Amtrak about if you look at the people that he has selected. For his cabinet as a huge vast diversity group in terms of their feelings about things but part of his whole message during his campaign was to be unifying and try to bring people together so shouldn't the people who disagree with. Pastor Warren. Say you know what this is part of the package to what we want to be open minded and we want to listen to different people's opinions."

" I don't think you're going to find one member of the cabinet the Barack Obama's put into place. Using the politics of fear and hate the way Rick Warren has on the issues of abortion and gay rights I didn't of the -- that. So now -- he's not well you know what that reason I -- Clinton's lawyers and the literature and let him respond time."

" I know it's not because -- Someone is against the same sex marriage does not mean they hate gay people and I know that's what you you read what you read when he says rain is right for so. He says there is a -- I have read his writing and I said the same thing. You know on. A I think it one who believes the Bible -- lives by it has a problem with same sex marriage doesn't mean they hate homosexuals because they don't agree with same sex marriage. Barack Obama reached out. To evangelicals he got some even high local support in this election. And he's I think it was whether the political mover not as big as a smart move on his had to have and it's a good move. For Rick Warren's except in the."

" Their heads have been Tony Perkins endless -- and thank you very much -- leaving -- in January toys for everybody. Thank you for John."