• With: Chris Van Hollen

    NEIL CAVUTO, HOST OF "YOUR WORLD": I'm very honored to have this person with us, the top -- one of the top Democrats, certainly in the House, Chris Van Hollen.

    Of course, he's one of the guys who has to sort of sign off on all of this.

    So, as you see things Congressman, what do you think?

    REP. CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, D-MD.: Well, I am a lot more optimistic right now than I was even five hours ago.

    CAVUTO: Really? What changed?

    VAN HOLLEN: I think there's been very...


    VAN HOLLEN: Well, I think some of the cooler heads on the Republican side are prevailing in this sense. A lot of people were saying we have to have some of these social riders, especially with respect to Planned Parenthood.

    CAVUTO: And, by the way, what happens with Planned Parenthood?  Because that was in from the very beginning. When did it catch people's attention?

    VAN HOLLEN: No, this has been controversial from the very beginning, when it first passed the House. And the issue has been whether...

    CAVUTO: Oh, I see. Is that going to be taken out now?

    VAN HOLLEN: Well, I think -- again, I think that a couple of Republican senators earlier today said, let's not allow that issue to stop the government, make it close down, that we should come back and fight that fight another day.

    These are controversial issues. They really don't belong...

    CAVUTO: So, the $75 million that was allocated in cuts for that, if that goes, what was sent in its place? Do we know yet, or no?

    VAN HOLLEN: Well, the overall number -- and I think you guys are reporting this -- may be in the range of about $38 billion. I don't want to say exactly what the number is, but I think we're talking about in that range. And then you would have an arrangement where, again, we're hoping that there would be no riders, because the idea would be, let's just focus on the spending piece. Let's not try and impose a particular social policy or agenda under the -- with the threat of government shutdown.


    CAVUTO: But time's a wasting, right? $ 38 billion, let's say it's that. Then you have got to really rush here.


    VAN HOLLEN: Here is what would happen. Here is what would happen.

    CAVUTO: Explain.

    VAN HOLLEN: If you have the agreement on all those parameters and principles, then everybody together would agree just to say, over the weekend, while we do the paperwork, while we ink the deal and we do the clerical stuff -- so, for three days we would just, by unanimous consent possibly, by everybody agreeing, you could just say, let's extend -- let's keep the government open for four days.

    CAVUTO: Oh. So you don't have to have a formal vote in the House and/or Senate, per se?

    VAN HOLLEN: Well, you have to have a vote. But the form of the vote could be what we call by unanimous consent. Now, anybody can object to that.

    CAVUTO: But it's not a member-by-member deal, or is it?

    VAN HOLLEN: No, it can be voice vote.


    VAN HOLLEN: But in order for it to work...


    CAVUTO: In other words, it takes time to do that.

    VAN HOLLEN: Well, it can happen very quickly.


    VAN HOLLEN: But only if everybody's in agreement can it happen.

    CAVUTO: Well, what if they're not?

    VAN HOLLEN: Well, then you have to go through a more rigorous procedure. You would have to go through the Rules Committee in the House.  That would take some time. And that probably would take you past midnight, even if you had a deal in place...


    CAVUTO: If we hit a second past midnight, we are technically shut down?

    VAN HOLLEN: That's correct.

    CAVUTO: There's no way around that?

    VAN HOLLEN: Technically shut down after midnight.