• With: Rep. Jim Jordan

    This is a rush transcript from "Your World," December 20, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    ERIC BOLLING, GUEST HOST: New questions being raised today about just how secure the ObamaCare website really is.

    The chief information security officer for healthcare.gov telling a House panel that she told the administration prior to launch that the site was vulnerable. Teresa Fryer says she warned against a September launch due to high risks, but was overruled by her superiors and she says the site is still vulnerable.

    Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan is a member of the House Oversight Committee, which conducted the interview I believe on Wednesday.

    Is that right, Congressman, Wednesday or so?

    REP. JIM JORDAN, R - OH: Right. Right. That`s right.


    BOLLING: All right, so tell us about that. That`s very important information here.

    Ms. Fryer said that...

    JORDAN: Right.

    BOLLING: ... she knew that the website was going to be vulnerable and warned against an October launch because of the privacy issues and some of the security issues.

    How come she didn`t tell anyone?

    JORDAN: Right.

    Well, she did. She actually refused -- this is how big this is. She refused to sign the document called the authority to operate document, broke protocol, broke the process that they normally have, and they had Ms. Tavenner, who is head of CMS, sign this document. So, did Ms. Tavenner fully know? We don`t -- we don`t know that yet.

    What did Ms. Sebelius know at that time? We don`t know that yet. We need to bring them back in ask them those questions. But Ms. Fryer, the chief information security officer, refused to sign the document because she said, this thing is not ready.

    And these folks, this administration launched it anyway. So that`s one big takeaway. Then, once it launched, they didn`t have any independent assessment of the security risk going on, until the last few weeks, when that resumed, they found out there are now still big security risks.

    So, three big takeaways from this lady`s interview, transcribed interview, that took place earlier this week.

    BOLLING: Chief security information officer, fairly high-level post, is it not?


    JORDAN: It sure is.


    BOLLING: And the reason why...


    BOLLING: Hold on.

    Just the reason why I`m asking this, because I want to set up this sound bite, because listen to Kathleen Sebelius just a few weeks ago saying this. Go.


    KATHLEEN SEBELIUS, U.S. HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY: Seven weeks later -- and today is seven weeks from the day that the website launched -- if I knew now what I -- if I had known then what I know now, we probably would have made a different call.


    BOLLING: OK. So, let me just set this up. So sometime prior to the launch on October 1, Ms. Fryer said she knew there were security issues. Right?

    JORDAN: Right.

    BOLLING: Kathleen Sebelius said if I had known -- if I knew now what I had known -- or had known then what I know now, we never would have launched.

    Why didn`t Kathleen Sebelius know when Ms. Fryer absolutely knew and was warning against it?

    JORDAN: Eric, that`s a critical question.

    What we do know is on September 20th, Ms. Fryer communicated to her superiors that she recommends they not sign the authority to operate agreement. So she says, don`t launch this thing, it`s not ready on September 20th, 10 days before the thing was supposed to launch the October 1st date.

    So why Ms. Sebelius didn`t learn about that, this fact, in that 10-day time frame, anybody`s guess. But she needs to come back in and tell us, why didn`t you know? And who are the people between Ms. Fryer and Ms. Sebelius who didn`t communicate that to Ms. Sebelius, if in fact she didn`t know.

    BOLLING: When your chief information officer says or security officer says it`s not safe, and you don`t know, boy, I got to say, Congressman, I got to say some -- someone is at fault here. Someone -- I -- my -- my question is...

    JORDAN: Certainly.

    BOLLING: ... do you have confidence in Kathleen Sebelius going forward that something like this isn`t going to happen yet again?

    JORDAN: Oh, this thing is a mess. I mean, the -- the previous clip, and everything -- what happened with the president waiving the -- the next thing, one of the many things he has waived in this law.