• With: Nick Ragone

    CAVUTO: You know, I got tell you, mine, it depends on the day. But I see your point. Go ahead.

    RAGONE: Yes. No, I mean, kids are cute.

    And I will say, seriously, though, if you look at President Clinton, for instance, even a lot of Republicans who had issues with his -- the way he handled the economy and health care still always said, he was a good dad to Chelsea. Same with Hillary, people who didn't like her.

    CAVUTO: That's right.

    RAGONE: Same with President Obama. You can not like his policies or ObamaCare, but you can't see that he doesn't seem like a wonderful dad and Michelle a wonderful mother.

    CAVUTO: No doubt. I said that on this air. I got a lot of e-mails on that, too, that I think the president is a great -- is a great father.

    And I think Rick Santorum, those who like him or dislike him, what he went through and how he put -- with especially his youngest child.

    RAGONE: Absolutely.

    CAVUTO: So they're great parents.

    But I guess I'm still back to this view that they're obviously used in all the ads. When I want to know more like in de Blasio's case in New York running for the mayor of New York, are you seriously talking about dramatically hiking taxes in a city to me that can ill afford it? Because no matter how cute your kids are or how hip they might seem, that drives me nuts. But I'm alone, I guess.

    RAGONE: Well, you're not alone but you live, Neil, in a world of ideas, and most people, most voters, symbolism replaces ideas. That's -- I hate to say this. I hate to break this to you, but our political system runs on iconic -- iconic pictures and symbolism and other proxies for values.

    And while, you're right, de Blasio, his -- his issue on taxes is more important than his family, at the same time, his family gets him votes. And he knows that, and we know it.

    CAVUTO: Kind of humanizes him. But sometimes it doesn't work at all. Anthony Weiner trying to humanize himself with his baby, it couldn't get people's minds off the fact this is the same dude who was sexting people. Right?

    RAGONE: Well, the creepy factor on Weiner outweighed any cuteness.

    But I will say, with Eliot Spitzer, the fact that his wife wasn't on the campaign trail, I think hurt him and cost him the election.

    CAVUTO: Oh, that's interesting.

    RAGONE: If she was out there campaigning, it would have signaled to voters, like I have forgiven him and so should you. She was conspicuously absent, and I think that did him in.

    CAVUTO: Yes. I don't know. If I were ever to run for office, I would -- well, I would actually have the kids campaign for me.


    RAGONE: You would trot them out.


    CAVUTO: All right. Nick, thank you very, very much. All right.

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