• With: Rudy Giuliani

    The Americans and the English know it by -- almost by instinct, but you have got to teach people that.

    VARNEY: OK.

    If you catch one of these guys, these cold-blooded, ruthless killers, you catch one, wherever you catch him, however you can catch him...

    GIULIANI: If they're part of Al Qaeda or if they're part one of these groups that have declared war on the United States, they're like soldiers. They're like -- this would be like the Nazis invading America.

    VARNEY: You don't give them a lawyer and bring them back to New York City? You don't do that.

    GIULIANI: I think that -- I think that is extremely dangerous. I think that is extremely irresponsible.

    I think the -- I think we learned our mistake in 1993, when we treated the World Trade Center bombers as criminal defendants, as if they had bombed a bank or shot a few people in the street. We learned that lesson. And then we got attacked on September 11.

    September 11, we treated it as if it was an act of war. And look how much safety we got of ourselves for such a long period of time by being tough and by being aggressive and by going on offense.

    VARNEY: I have to ask you about the man who is likely to become the next mayor of New York City, Bill de Blasio.

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    VARNEY: I don't know why you're laughing, because he wants to raise taxes on the rich again.

    GIULIANI: Well, I still have hope for my former deputy mayor, Joe Lhota, who -- who would make a fine mayor, is enormously well-qualified.

    VARNEY: OK. Now, that's a plug for your guy ,OK.

    GIULIANI: And Joe would keep taxes down.

    VARNEY: But -- yes, but...

    GIULIANI: Joe would keep -- Joe would keep what I started and Mayor Bloomberg expanded.

    VARNEY: Yes. Now, do you...

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    GIULIANI: Keep it going.

    VARNEY: OK. Come on. Do you...

    GIULIANI: Twenty darn good years...

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    VARNEY: Well...

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    GIULIANI: Compared -- compared to where I think Mr. de Blasio could take us, which is back to where we were in the late '80s, early '90s.

    VARNEY: Well, he's going to raise taxes on the rich.

    GIULIANI: And 1,900 to 2,000 murders a year.

    VARNEY: What would happen if -- come on.

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    VARNEY: What would happen to New York if you raise taxes on the rich again?

    GIULIANI: They'd leave. That's what they were doing when I -- when I became mayor, I was given a report that The New York Times heartily endorsed -- someone just wrote about it today, I think in The Post.

    They gave me a report. They told me, here's how I should fix-- fix the budget deficit. I should raise taxes. You know what I did? I symbolically -- not quite symbolically -- but I took it and I threw it in the trash and I said, if I have to do it once, I will have to do it a hundred times, because I got to get my tax base back.

    I have got to reduce taxes, and I ended up with a pretty darn good economy, and got reelected in a Democratic city by 18 percent of the vote, because I got the economy moving again.

    VARNEY: It is incredible that...

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    GIULIANI: This isn't -- this isn't brain surgery.

    VARNEY: But...

    GIULIANI: Lower taxes, expand jobs. Raise taxes, lose the people who producer jobs.

    VARNEY: But if you went under -- if you stood for election today and you had that program, lower taxes, you would you not be elected.

    GIULIANI: People don't make that connection. I mean, they don't make -- they don't understand it. They don't make the connection.