• With: KT McFarland

    This is a rush transcript from "Your World," October 3, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: We are getting reports -- and, again, these cannot be quickly confirmed -- that, both by the White House, the woman was told repeatedly to get out of the car, get out of the car. She did not. She drove off.

    When she got to Garfield Circle, it was the same drill. Get out of the car. This is by Garfield Circle, by the way, when the Capitol Hill Police were surrounding her, repeatedly telling her to leave the vehicle, leave the vehicle. I'm not sure what she said in response, but obviously she didn't get out of the vehicle.

    And the more it looked like she was ignoring Capitol Hill Police, obviously, she became an even bigger target of the police that she was presumably up to no good, she wasn't listening. Her vehicle became, as a former Secret Service agent, Dan Bongino, had told me, a weapon in and of itself. And they would not tolerate her just driving aimlessly and wildly around the United States Capitol.

    It is very, very weird.

    KT, you're here, a former top security official in Republican administrations.

    Weird. But they don't take any -- and for good reason -- any chances in the United States Capitol.

    KT MCFARLAND, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: No. And they -- and they can't. This is within feet, inches of where senators and congressmen are walking every single day.

    The thing, though, that I wanted to talk to you about, Neil, is what worries me is what the world sees now as they look at America. I was just in Egypt last week. And other parts of the world, you think of that that's terrorist incidents are, those are where the streets are unsafe, those are where banana republics, where people can't govern themselves.

    Look at the world's image of America in the last couple of months. We have had the Navy Yard shooting. We have got this. We have got government dysfunction. We have got veterans in wheelchairs that aren't being allowed to go to their memorial. It seems like complete dysfunction.

    We have members of Congress calling each other terrorists and jihadists and murderers. And it just looks like the entire American model doesn't work anymore.


    CAVUTO: Well, we're generally on pins and needles, and it doesn't take much to snap.

    But I'm -- obviously no connection to that and this incident.


    CAVUTO: But, obviously, the response is, we're not going to boop around here. We're going to be very proactive with this sort of thing.

    But I -- I'm wondering -- and this is invariably going to come up -- that the security was compromised in our nation's capital because of what happened with the shutdown. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of that.


    CAVUTO: But a number of groups are saying, you have got to pay these Capitol Hill police while they're doing their duty, because they're doing it right now without pay. What do you think about it?

    MCFARLAND: I think it's nonsense. These are not people who aren't going to say, well, I'm -- wait, I'm going to leave now because I'm not on the paycheck. I'm not going to do my duty to my people and to my country.

    That's not going to be the question. But what it does do...

    CAVUTO: I didn't want to introduce you there, but Brad Woodhouse, who is the president of Americans United for Change, slightly left-leaning group...


    CAVUTO: ... saying that end the shutdown, pay the Capitol Police.

    Would that have made any difference?

    MCFARLAND: Let me tell you, the United States military, there was a question, would they be paid? Would their health care benefits be -- would they have to pay more for their health care benefits?

    You cannot find one member of the United States military who would say, look, I'm off-duty now or I'm not going to go because -- I'm not going to go do my job for my country, I'm not going to defend my country. These are people who take an oath of office. These are people who committed, yes.

    CAVUTO: So, could I ask you a dumb question?


    CAVUTO: When it comes to deciding essential vs. nonessential personnel, you're not paid either way, right?

    MCFARLAND: You ultimately are -- catch up. When I was at..

    CAVUTO: But, for the moment, whether you're sitting at home or you're going to work like the Capitol Police...

    MCFARLAND: Right.

    CAVUTO: ... you're presently not getting paid?

    MCFARLAND: Yes, but they have always in the past caught up.

    CAVUTO: So, retroactively.

    MCFARLAND: Retroactively. When I was in government in the...


    CAVUTO: So, that argument is silly?