• With: Rudy Giuliani

    GIULIANI: White House tours, letting illegal immigrant criminals go free or threatening that, that's absurd.

    And I think the president is, as you said before, marginalizing himself. He is proving that he is not a president. He is a candidate. He can't get out of being a candidate.

    CAVUTO: But he is going to have dinner -- I guess weather notwithstanding, he's supposed to have dinner with Republican leaders tonight.

    GIULIANI: Right, then tomorrow probably go give a speech bashing them.

    CAVUTO: Well, but I'm saying he is sort of, you know, olive branch and then a stick to poke you.

    GIULIANI: It's not working.

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    GIULIANI: This particular time, he didn't roll the Republicans. That whole four-week thing was to try to get the Republicans to cave in on the sequester.

    CAVUTO: Right.

    GIULIANI: The way to some extent they caved in on the fiscal cliff. Right? That kind of worked. But he had just been elected. They hadn't gotten their act together yet.

    But Republicans were Rockford granite on this. They didn't buy any of this garbage. They were not snowed by him. They stood their ground. They said if you are not going to significantly reduce spending, if you are not going to present us with some alternatives that get us to that $85 billion because we at a minimum have to do that, we are just going to say no.

    And I think Republicans came out of this looking much, much better than they have in quite some time.

    CAVUTO: Now, that's a big leap thing, saying Republicans have their mojo back.

    But do you think, from having to accept and swallow tax increases at the beginning of the year, that that was their sort of Waterloo, they said, all right, that -- we have given you what you wanted, Mr. President, the rest is on you?

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    GIULIANI: And now -- well, we gave you what you wanted. We gave you big revenue increases, right? Big revenue increases.

    Now, you have got to give us cuts, because, you say it's a combination of revenue and cuts. Well, where are the cuts? And the reality...

    CAVUTO: Because you heard Gene Sperling last week, the guy with the infamous e-mails, but who said, no, what John Boehner originally talked about with the president was a trillion dollars in tax hikes, ended up getting about $600 billion over 10 years, as you know.

    So, by his math, by the administration's math, the Republicans owe another $400 billion.

    GIULIANI: No, no, no, but the president was talking about $4 trillion in cuts when Boehner was talking about a trillion. It was going -- remember...

    (CROSSTALK)

    CAVUTO: Well, they have all devolved.

    GIULIANI: It was going to a 3-1 or 4-1 match for every -- for a trillion dollars in revenue, there was going to be $3 trillion to $4 trillion in cuts.

    I don't like raising taxes. But if you give me a 4-1 deal, that's a deal maybe I can make.

    CAVUTO: You would consider.

    GIULIANI: Yeah.

    CAVUTO: It ended up being 40-1 the other way around.

    GIULIANI: Yeah. So, the president is playing games here.

    And I think in the last two days, we see the big picture. The big picture is he never stopped campaigning. And now he is campaigning to try to get himself a Republican (sic) House in two years. This is all intended to try to destroy the Republican Party and get Nancy Pelosi back there, so he can raise taxes even more, so he can raise spending even more, so he can pass his very, very left-wing agenda.

    CAVUTO: Well, we shall see what happens.

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