• With: Anthony Weiner

    WEINER: No, no, that was the beginning of a thought, let me just finish the thought. So there's been a lot of elements of this discussion that people have been unclear on and maybe not given the honest truth about. The fundamentals of what the president was saying is right, in that the ideas that they made the decision to not go to with the single payer health care system like Medicare --

    KELLY: You're advocating for that --

    WEINER: Like I wanted and went with an insurance employer based plan. In the past, present, and to something degree the future, people still could lose their health plans. And he should have made it clear, he should have made it clear --

    KELLY: And he didn't.

    WEINER: He should have made it clear that under my bill, it's going to happen less. Maybe not never happen, but it's going to happen less.

    KELLY: This is all a dodge. What he said was not correct. And the thing -- here's what I'm going for, there's been no accountability, you know, the president came out and was forced to admit that he had misstated the facts to the American people. But where's the accountability for that misstatement for --

    WEINER: What do you mean accountability?

    KELLY: -- rollout of HealthCare.gov.

    WEINER: What do you mean accountability?

    KELLY: To explain. I knew and this is -- to take responsibility for --


    WEINER: Wait a minute. The president, you can accuse him of a lot of things. Not taking responsibility, he publicly apologized for making that statement, explained the context that he made it in.

    KELLY: But the Wall Street Journal was reporting that they knew at the White House that was going to happen and they made a political decision to mislead --

    WEINER: You know, there was, frankly, frankly -- I have already said to you and the president had already said that it should have been stated differently. But there is this notion that that is the sum and substance of the conversation. The health care industry for years has been taking away people's coverage willy-nilly in huge numbers.

    KELLY: There was no question that --


    WEINER: Hold on. So the law that was passed was a Republican proposal --

    KELLY: I get that.

    Well, I don't want to relitigate the whole health care law. We've done that many, many times. I'm just trying to get --

    WEINER: But sometimes the beginning of my answers lead to an end that's going to answer your question.

    KELLY: Here we go again.

    WEINER: So the point that I would like to continue to make is that, yes, as I have said now twice on your show, that the president has said. But remember something, the status quo was many, many more people losing their health insurance willy-nilly. And so, that I think should be the focus because that's what the law succeeded in doing.

    KELLY: With the problems that we've seen in the health care law, some people are suggesting, including our own Charles Krauthammer, that this is a blow to --

    WEINER: Someone who I listen to on health care policy.

    KELLY: There you go. Well, you should. That progressivism has taken a hit, that this is a strike at the heart of big government because people are less inclined now than ever to hand their health care, to hand matters over to the Feds.

    WEINER: Over to the Feds? It's private insurance. We're giving citizens --

    KELLY: Who's running it?

    WEINER: The insurance industry.

    KELLY: Whose law was it? Who forced --

    WEINER: Every law is a law, a law that cuts taxes is a law of the legislator.

    KELLY: Who mislead people? Who rolled out healthcare.gov, Congressman?

    WEINER: Can I answer your first question before we get to the next story?

    The point is, what we're doing -- we're giving people subsidies to buy private insurance. That's a Republican principle and ideal.

    KELLY: Let's shift bases now because you're not answering my question. As usual.


    Some things change in three years and some things don't change at all. Let me ask you about this.

    WEINER: Megyn, that's impolite to say I didn't answer a question when I just got done answering it. You're not being polite.

    KELLY: You didn't. You keep focusing on the states. I'm asking you about healthcare.gov, they're not running it.

    WEINER: HealthCare.gov is a state/federal shared responsibility.

    KELLY: They're not running it. The states are running -- all right.