This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 23, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, hello, everyone.
Happy Monday. It's Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob
Beckel, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
PERINO: All eyes on the U.N. tomorrow as the 68th General Assembly
kicks off. The stakes are very high for President Obama. Iran's nuclear
ambition, Syria's chemical weapons, and Israeli/Palestinian tensions.
Believe it or not, Ed Henry is here in New York with the president.
We're happy to have him in studio.
ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I hope I didn't
mess you up there at the beginning.
PERINO: I must be really nervous you're here. Someone from my past
is going to join us.
Before we get started with the substance, I want to be clear, are you
OK with everything that's going to happen to your career from this point
HENRY: You should call it "The Six" just for today.
PERINO: Well --
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Why not.
PERINO: Well, the way I'm going, I probably will call it something
else by the end, as in not good.
HENRY: I'm excited.
PERINO: OK, it's good to have you.
OK. So, can you set up the week for us? Last year, President Obama
didn't have any meetings with any foreign leaders during the election year.
This year, he's got a full dance card.
HENRY: Last year, it was right before the election. They didn't
want, you know, an errant syllable here or there on a foreign policy issue
to blow up and have Romney pick it up.
Now, he has to face the fact that there is a full plate of national
security crises that he has to deal with. He was re-elected. He believed
he had a mandate. On both the domestic and foreign policy front, he's had
one crises after another and hasn't really gotten a lot of what he wanted
So, here's his chance because we've seen the problems pile up. If he
can get something with Iran, for example that gets him to take a step back
from their third for nuclear weapons, that's a huge if, but if he can get
that, maybe he'll start making some progress on these issues but there's
PERINO: That's a huge "if" on Iran. So, one of the questions is
whether or not President Obama would be willing to meet with them. It
looks like for the first time since 1979, John Kerry, the secretary of
state, is going to meet with the leader of Iran. Do they really think this
is a good idea?
HENRY: What seems possible to me is some sort of like a hallway
Putin-esque kind of thing where they don't have a formal one on one and you
don't confer that power of the presidency on the new Iranian president but
a little hallway encounter where they say there's some openness.
But look, you know, it's similar to what's happening with the Russians
on the Syria deal where, you know, it looks good on paper. But already,
the first deadline was missed. There are cracks in the deal that was
sealed in Geneva.
So, you know, hope springs eternal. But, you know, will the fine
print mean anything? You've already seen Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli
prime minister, saying he's going to take a hard line against this. That's
not a shock. But his problem with it, is that this might be the way it was
with North Korea years ago, where they just bought more time and that give
them the time to actually get nuclear weapons.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yes, there's a little difference here. Rouhani
has said -- the Iranian president said, without any question, we are not
building nuclear weapons.
HENRY: That's what we said.
BECKEL: That's what he said, but we hadn't heard that before.
Then, he's going into the Nuclear Nonproliferation Committee meeting
where he will repeat that again. If they do do that, it seems to me what
he's doing is coalescing the world around him if he's not telling the
What in the world are people saying is wrong with Obama having a
meeting with this guy, hallway, bathroom, wherever?
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Can I respond to that? The reason why there's
an issue with this is because when Iran talks, they also act. So, they'll
negotiate while building centrifuges. They do one thing -- they can
actually multitask. Where all Obama does is he talks, he speaks softly and
carries a big thesaurus.
HENRY: This is something he has to show this week. Is it just
reactive on a lot of these issues? Like, the Syrian issue, there was a
diplomatic opening there. But it was almost accidentally where John Kerry
gets one question, throws it out there, his staff immediately said, no, he
didn't mean to say that. But then the Russians said, well, maybe we'll do
a deal so the White House and State Department said, OK.
HENRY: Very reactive. But will he be able to seize the initiative
with Iran or is it just reacting to the new opening from the new Iranian
president? And not actually looking forward down the field as to action?
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Couple of quick points. I can't imagine
they're going to get -- clearly nothing signed.
HENRY: Not this week.
BOLLING: So, what's the point? You go to meeting and you say you've
met with the Iranians. What does that tell the rest of the world?
You're meeting with a terrorist organization, terrorist funding -- the
funding arm of most terrorism around the world. And you're putting the
American people in the room with them and I think you're sending a bad
signal on the terrorists. You're sending certainly a bad single to Israel
and maybe you're sending a bad signal --
HENRY: The counter to that is by not talking to them what is Iran
BOLLING: What --
HENRY: They're getting closer and closer to getting nuclear weapons.
BOLLING: Well, no, no. Well, not --
HENRY: Well, they are.
BOLLING: Yes, but by talking to them, I don't think you make them
further away from getting them.
HENRY: Maybe not, but you can try.
BOLLING: Can I just point one more thing out? You know what this is
going to be the one year anniversary of, when President Obama went to the
podium at the U.N. and said, you know what Benghazi was, Benghazi was all
about that video. I wonder if anyone is going to bring that up and say,
you know, you guys were blatantly, blatantly hiding what you actually knew
was going on a year. I'd love to hear something --
BECKEL: Kim, can I -- do you mind if I ask Kimberly a question?
GUTFELD: I do.
PERINO: I would love to hear what Kimberly thinks.
BECKEL: The Iranians, I know you don't trust the Iranians. Very few
people do. But after they've said that publicly, for the first time
definitively, by the president of that country, we will not build nuclear
weapons, we're building domestic energy plants. Does it hurt to sit down
after that breakthrough and say, exactly what it you mean?
GUIFOYLE: If you really honestly believe that they're being truthful,
which I don't, but I'm coming from a place of cautious skepticism and with
good historical reason -- you think this is a move forward in the right
direction, and you honestly believe that negotiations or sitting down with
them are going to be fruitful both for the United States and
internationally, from foreign policy perspective, then I guess you would do
it. And perhaps that's their reasoning. I'm more distrustful of it, so I
GUTFELD: But think about all of these scandals. Whether Eric
bringing up Benghazi, you bringing up Syria. They're already in the
rearview mirror, like everything else, a shelf like of an Obama scandal is
less than an open container.
BECKEL: What is the scandal about Syria?
GUTFELD: The way he reacted.
BECKEL: That was a scandal?
GUTFELD: Yes, the way he was embarrassing, he blew it. My point is,
his scandals have less of a shelf life than an open container of mayo. Let
me finish my sentence.
BECKEL: I'm sorry.
GUTFELD: He doesn't throw people under the bus, he just drives right
BOLLING: You know what, though, he tries to drive over them, realizes
the American people don't want the bus driven that way, then he walks it
back, he pulls the bus back, and goes, you know, we were actually thinking
about doing that anyway. Thankfully --
GUILFOYLE: Is that a red line metaphor?
BOLLING: Bob, what in the world makes you think you can trust
anything Rouhani says? He doesn't run the country. You know who runs the
BECKEL: I don't trust --
BECKEL: That's not the point. The point is you have to sit there and
have a conversation. It doesn't hurt. It may not help. It may end --
GUTFEDL: But you've got to act while you talk. That's what the
Iranians do. They act and they talk while they're negotiating, they're
building things. We just talk. That's the problem.
BECKEL: What difference does it make? If they're building them
GUTFELD: The talking allows them to build.
BECKEL: Ed, does the Russian press corps consider Syria a scandal,
the way --
HENRY: No, I hadn't heard it described that way before. You could
describe the way the president's backed into this sort of almost fortunate
GUTFELD: How about incompetence? Can we call it incompetence
HENRY: That's your word, not mine.
What I would say is that he struggled week to week on this and said
one week, you know, we're not going to go to Congress, we're going to do
this on our own. We were at the edge of military action, then he pulled
back and said, let's go to Congress. They didn't have the votes. They
said, well, no, let's not go to Congress.
HENRY: So, nobody knows really where they are. But, look, if he can
get this breakthrough with the Russians on Syria without ever firing a
shot, that's not necessarily a bad thing. So, I don't think that's the
GUTFELD: When Bush does something, it's buffoonery. When Obama does
it, it's a struggle. He's trying so hard.
PERINO: He's just communicated better.
PERINO: Included in another subject we're going to talk about. You
remember last week, the horrible shooting in Washington, D.C. at the Navy
Yard that resulted in 12 people being killed. Take a look at President
Obama last night in Washington.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I do not accept that we
cannot find a commonsense way to preserve our traditions, including our
basic Second Amendment freedoms and the rights of law-abiding gun owners,
while at the same time reducing the gun violence that unleashes so much
mayhem on a regular basis. And it may not happen tomorrow and it may not
happen next week. It may not happen next month. But it will happen.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
PERINO: OK, just practical reality, Ed, how is it going to happen?
HENRY: Well, that's what's significant. He's almost reluctantly
saying, look, I don't know if it's next week, next month, next year, it's
going to happen at some point.
That's a lot different after Newtown when it was a call to action. He
said, we've got to do it. We're going to do it.
This is a president who has hit brick wall after brick wall on these
issues and is confronting a new reality, which is he's almost done with his
first year of his second term with virtually no domestic achievements.
GUILFOYLE: No accomplishment.
HENRY: He didn't get immigration reform, hadn't got gun control,
didn't get a grand bargain budget deal.
These are not attacks. These are facts. So, he's trying to turn it
around as quickly as he can because come next year, he's got no political
BECKEL: While we got you here, immigration -- is the assumption that
immigration is dead through 2014?
HENRY: There's a hope signed the White House after some of these
primary deadlines in early 2014 are done, meaning, you know, a Republican
finds out he or she doesn't have a conservative primary opponent, that
after that closes, they might actually cut a deal on immigration, because
they won't fear, you know, a primary challenge from the right.
But I think that's a little too optimistic. If there's anything --
BECKEL: One more, can I ask a second follow-up question?
HENRY: Sure, please.
BOLLING: Is it on the things we were --
BECKEL: I was curious about the answer to that.
GUILFOYLE: You're like a commercial break question.
BECKEL: Wayne LaPierre went on one of those shows yesterday and said,
gee, if we all had gun, we'd all be fine. But what Obama is calling for
here is an expanded background check. Why do they not think that's
possible to get through? I mean, any cretin would understand the
importance of that.
HENRY: It's important to do, on one hand. On the other hand, the
shooter in this case, there were background checks that were done and they
didn't find a problem. And so, it proves that there's still cracks in the
system, unfortunately. So unless you come up with some fool proof
background check, it's still a hard case on Capitol Hill because of the
BECKEL: Well, because if you had a background check --
HENRY: It doesn't mean you couldn't fight for it.
BECKEL: Anybody who has a gun that goes into a mental institution
should be checked.
BOLLING: You know what this is -- this is Beckel filibustering
because he doesn't want to get to ObamaCare or Lois Lerner.
PERINO: But we are going to get to ObamaCare. We're going to get
ObamaCare right now.
GUTFELD: Can I just comment on guns? I don't know if that was the
right place to talk about guns, because if you -- could have gotten maybe
specific about what you meant. But he pretends to compromise on this issue
-- who is he compromising with? The left and the far left?
There's no other -- there's no one else he's talking to about guns.
If he would, he would talk about mental health. It's not really about
rounding up guns. It's about looking at the people who have guns. I don't
Gun free zones create a fair ground of sitting ducks.
BECKEL: That's the American people, somebody who was at a mental --
in a mental institution, should they have guns? You ask them.
BOLLING: Well, they can't. And we've done this time and time.
GUILFOYLE: The law's in place already, Bob.
BOLLING: If you've been admitted into a mental institution --
BECKEL: He was, he was.
BOLLING: Forcibly admitted against your will, then you cannot get a
gun. He was not, Bob, ever.
BECKEL: I'm saying anybody --
PERINO: That's what happens, it become, a strongman argument where
there's nothing really to fight against. He's not arguing against anybody.
And he's not compromising with anybody on anything, including ObamaCare.
Let's take a look at some of the things President Obama said about
ObamaCare in the past.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)
OBAMA: We will keep this promise to the American people. If you like
your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period.
If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.
This is not some government takeover. If you like your doctor, you
can keep seeing your doctor.
(END VIDEO CLIPS)
PERINO: And then, in "The New York Times" today, on the front page,
it was like a revelation, Greg, that actually, if you want to see your
doctor, you can't necessarily see your doctor.
GUTFELD: I cannot believe you took him out of context like that. And
you took it and you edited it -- you made it look like he was talking about
your doctor when he was talking about Dr. Pepper.
He was arguing in defense of removing Dr. Pepper from schools and you
made it look like he was talking about M.D.s. This is what I hate about
BECKEL: What he didn't do was matching that story said for most
people who are poor in lower, middle class, they were going to get their
monthly premiums were going to go down and the people who are wealthier who
can afford it are going to be able to keep their own doctors.
So, now, we've got ObamaCare proving you can lower your monthly
payments and you will be able to go to --
BOLLING: You just made a comment that is factually inaccurate.
BECKEL: What's that?
BOLLING: No premiums have gone down. In fact, they've gone up.
BECKEL: If you read that story --
BOLLING: They've risen faster than they were rising prior to Obama
BECKEL: If you read that story, it says, with ObamaCare, they will go
GUILFOYLE: But they have not gone down yet. So, you're forecasting
BECKEL: Maybe in 3020.
PERINO: Ed, from the communications perspective when you talk to the
White House, are they concerned that this is -- that ObamaCare continues to
be like lead weights around their ankles? October 1st is when the
exchanges supposedly open. And there's, you know, they've understandably
got what the problem.
HENRY: It's a struggle for them. They haven't been able to
communicate this effectively with the American people. You see polls
turning against the president's health care law. Month to month to month,
it's been getting worse.
What they're hoping inside the White House is they'll get past the
speed bumps with Ted Cruz and others, and in the end they're going to save
the law and then once these benefits start kicking in, it's going to be
harder and harder for Republicans on the Hill to fight it, but they haven't
gotten to that yet.
BECKEL: Ted Cruz is not a speed bump, he's a big hole in the ground.
GUILFOYLE: Bob --
PERINO: Kimberly, do you want to comment on ObamaCare?
GUILFOYLE: After Bob had his little truth serum sips during the show.
PERINO: You want to talk about ObamaCare, Kimberly, or should we move
on to Lois Lerner?
GUILFOYLE: I think we should move on to Lois Lerner.
GUTFELD: Can I say something? Just a point, saying ObamaCare is
cheaper is like saying a bus fare is cheaper than a plane fare. You can
travel across country but it will take you a week and you'll be sitting
next to Richard Greco. So, the idea --
PERINO: And there's no clean bathroom.
GUTFELD: I'm telling you, this reveals the hypocrisy of the left.
It's only the poor who take the bus, and they're happy with that.
BECKEL: At least they'll get there.
GUTFELD: If they survive. There's only one route.
PERINO: Well, you've got to keep up with the analogies on "The Five".
That is one of our specialties. Lois Lerner, remember her? She was at the
I've got a theory. She announced today she's going to retire. After
I think five or six months of getting paid while on leave, had a great
summer vacation. Now, she's going to retire with no problems whatsoever.
She pled the Fifth. I think this is what we should -- this is my new
theory on this, Ed. I don't need any more investigation. I think we know
exactly what happened.
We know she was a political favorite. She went to the IRS because of
her connections with FEC. She targeted the Tea Party in particular at the
request of the political appointees at the White House. And now, we're
just left with pretty much nothing.
HENRY: There's never been that last piece, though, there's never been
proof that the White House actually directed it.
PERINO: Do you think there ever will be, Kimberly?
HENRY: Once Lois Lerner's gone.
GUILFOYLE: No, because now she's been silenced. They gave her
essentially cement boots in the form of retirement, so we're not going to
hear from her.
That's their play. That's their chess move. They've been able to use
that successfully. Not just here but in other places where they've had
problems or, quote, "scandals" in the administration.
So, it's shameful because the American people deserve the answers.
And she should be forthright, but she hasn't been from the beginning.
HENRY: She wanted to spend more time with her family on a bus.
GUILFOYLE: Right, on the bus.
BOLLING: I think you can call her again.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, you could and they should be.
BOLLING: And she'd probably take the Fifth again.
GUILFOYLE: If they can find her.
BOLLING: I also like -- it's a little bit off topic. General Ham, I
want to talk for five seconds, they're telling us to wrap. But Benghazi,
General Ham again and again, we talked about it, I called five different
phone numbers for this guy.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh, you're stalking him.
BOLLING: Why don't they call -- one of the panelists call General Ham
to testify and tell the American people --
HENRY: I think Darrell Issa and some have tried.
BOLLING: What we need to see --
PERINO: Where is he?
BOLLING: Yes, where is he? We can't find him. Five phone calls,
five different phone numbers.
GUILFOYLE: Where's Ham?
HENRY: He's on a bus.
GUILFOYLE: With Lois Lerner?
BECKEL: A quick comment about ObamaCare since I haven't yet --
PERINO: Yes, you did.
BECKEL: On the IRS scandal.
BECKEL: I don't think it came from the White House. I'm sure glad
somebody thought of it. This is politics. It's a tough business.
BOLLING: Glad someone targeted the Tea Party?
BECKEL: Yes, indeed.
PERINO: This is after you said it was the biggest scandal? Bob, do
you realize we have all these clips for weeks of you saying this was the
biggest problem, that this is wrong?
BECKEL: It's a terrible problem.
PERINO: And you said it was wrong.
GUILFOYLE: Now you're happy?
PERINO: You realize that?
BECKEL: Of course, I realize that.
PERINO: Now it's not wrong?
BECKEL: Of course, it's wrong. It's terrible. It's wrong. They did
it to delay --
PERINO: Now you're saying it's a good idea?
BECKEL: I'm saying if I were sitting there -- if I were sitting
there, I would have done it.
HENRY: Guys, the bus is leaving.
PERINO: OK, the bus has run other me on this Monday.
HENRY: I've got to go.
PERINO: Ed, aren't you glad you came?
HENRY: I'm getting on the bus.
PERINO: Directly ahead on "The Five", over the weekend, Islamic
terrorists massacred at least 60 people in Kenya and attacked a Christian
church in Pakistan. New developments on both those stories with Greg
Gutfeld when we come back.
GUTFELD: The terrorists slaughtering innocents at a Nairobi shopping
center had quizzed the victims on the name of Muhammad's mom as criteria
for being spared. So far, at least 60 have flunked the Islamic pop quiz.
They died at the hands of cowards. The conclusion, convert, at least on
Fact is, it's hazardous to your health to travel while Christian, or
Hindu, or anything else non-Muslim. Maybe travel agents should give us the
cliff notes to Islam in case you come face-to-face with an angry faith.
Having a hijab could save your life.
This doesn't happen in America. We don't kill if you're wearing -- if
you're not wearing plaid pants. Yet, we're the infidels. Perhaps we just
don't believe strongly enough.
I know people are going to ask where are the moderate Muslim
condemning such actions? But CAIR, the Council on American Islamic
Relations did on twitter. It's Michigan executive director rebuked, the
Jews. He mocked those damn money-grubbing Jews who went to the Kenyan mall
to help stop the bloodshed because they have stores there.
The idiot then condemned the attack as an afterthought. But you know
where his heart or mind was.
Worse, our government actually paid this guy to speak abroad about
American backlash against Muslims. Meanwhile in Pakistan, the Taliban
homicide bombed a Christian church, killing 75 people. The worst attack on
the Christian minority there.
The old saying is you attract bees with honey. But I'm not sure the
religion of peace sees it that way at times. I'm more convinced that the
zealots of Islam seek to prove the existence of heaven by creating a hell
here on Earth.
You know, we've been talking about this before the show, Eric. Do you
think -- we haven't had a shopping mall terror attack in the United States.
Are we just lucky?
BOLLING: Well, you know, depends on how you define terror.
Apparently, if you can hold up a gun and shoot 13 people saying Allahu
Akbar, it's not a terror attack.
I'm not -- look, here's the issue -- I think your monologue is
fantastic. You take your life in your hands any time you travel outside of
the United States, especially if you're Christian. An American Christian
at the utmost.
They say Islam is the religion of peace, but they have to start
proving it. They're not proving it anywhere.
BECKEL: They're not the religious of peace. They are the religion of
Islamic -- listen, people who are supposedly peaceful, you moderate Muslims
Listen, I know I've been on this thing for a long time. But the time
has come for you to stand up and say something. I repeat what I said
before -- no Muslim students coming here with visas. No more mosques being
build here until you stand up and denounce what's happened in the name of
It is not what your prophet meant, as I know. I don't know what his
mother's name, I don't care.
The point is that the time has come for Muslims in this country and
for other people around the world to stand up and be counted. If you
can't, you're cowards.
GUTFELD: K.G. --
GUTFELD: All right.
GUILFOYLE: All righty then.
GUTFELD: What do you think about the threat here? I think there were
two attempts here that were stopped before they happened.
GUILFOYLE: Well, I think we've been diligent. We have every reason
to do so. I think the minute we start to cut back, OK, and not be
diligent, we're going to be in trouble.
This is just an example of how easy it is for something like this to
happen. It's shocking. It's horrible. I mean, there was an eight month
pregnant woman who was murdered because she wasn't Muslim, OK. It's heart-
PERINO: And she was there working on malaria project for the Clinton
Global Initiative. She's British.
GUILFOYLE: Nobody's safe. You travel abroad, really, depending on
where you're going, you're really taking your life in your hands, because
the intolerance, the violence, the persecution of non-Muslims hatred is
staggering. And people should be worried. They should be afraid.
BECKEL: Maybe I'm wrong. Has anybody heard from the head of any
Muslim country, any cleric, anybody heard from any --
GUILFOYLE: Have you heard from CAIR?
BOLLING: Have you heard from Rouhani?
BECKEL: He's not my buddy. The point -- the fact of the matter is,
they don't stand up. They won't speak out.
And you're going to continue to get this. You're going to get it from
me. You may not care.
But I'm telling you, unless you stand up and try to give some sense of
responsibility for what your religion stands for and what these fanatical
idiots, what you ought to is ban them from the church, which you won't do
it. You know why? Because you're afraid you're going to get shot.
GUTFELD: Well, actually, you know what's interesting. It is really
about a fear of being killed. Isn't that why people are quiet?
PERINO: And then the idea is to then strike fear into how we live our
daily lives. They hate freedom because freedom is against everything they
believe in, extremists.
This is why it was called the global war on terror. So, we -- I think
that this is the ultimate battle of good versus evil.
I also kept saying -- Jesse waters of the "O'REILLY FACTOR" had a
piece just two weeks ago I think it was where he had gone to this national
Muslim convention here in New York City and all of these young people, they
were people that you would want to -- well, maybe not have a beer with I
guess. Maybe have a sandwich.
They were really nice young kids. And their leaders are doing them a
BOLLING: Throw this out here very quickly, Bob. We buy oil from
Iran. And globally, Iran takes that money and finances terrorism around
BECKEL: We don't buy it.
BOLLING: Terrorists kill people, innocent people and create terror in
malls. At some point, you don't sit down with Rouhani or the Iranian
BECKEL: You do not buy oil from Iran.
BOLLING: Bob, I will tell you, unequivocally, we buy oil, not
directly from Iran, but we buy oil from people who buy oil from Iran.
There is --
BOLLING: Do me a favor. Don't talk to me about oil. Twenty years in
the oil business, I will tell you there is Iranian oil in our refineries.
BECKEL: You said we buy from Iran.
BOLLING: Bob, you want to talk about --
GUILFOYLE: Bottom line, we have it from them, that's just the fact.
GUTFELD: All right, I'm being yelled at.
Ahead on "The Five": Is North Korea a drug user's paradise? We'll tell
you about the meth epidemic happening inside the communist dictatorship,
coming up. Don't go away.
BOLLING: All right, a couple of stories that are sure to make your
blood boil, if you care about the direction America is heading under
President Obama. A father dares question the curriculum his kids are being
taught in a public school and the federal government spending your tax
dollars to praise Islam's contribution to women's rights. We'll get to
that one in a moment.
But, first, watch Robert small try to ask teachers in a Q&A forum in
Maryland about the Common Core curriculum.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) community knowledge. That's what it
boils down to. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's go.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let him ask his question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're sitting here like coward. You have
question. They don't want us to do it in public.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do the research. Do the research.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, they're concerned --
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: All right. K.G., let me start with you. Here's a dad
trying to ask a question, apparently the way it was supposed to work out is
they have to submit their questions. It's a common concern. He wasn't
thinking he wasn't going to be able to get his question.
GUILFOYLE: He wasn't the popular question. You saw that guy behave
horribly, quote/unquote, "security guard" that pushed him, shoved him
around, and basically, you heard him banged up against the door on the way
That's because you're asking a question about your child's education
and the curriculum in the school, OK, tax dollars? You don't have a right
to ask? What country is this?
BOLLING: All right. Greg?
GUILFOYLE: Manhandled? Awful.
GUTFELD: You know, it's funny, when you see stuff like this, the
media tends to romance all kinds of protests when it involves students, you
know, marching against Israel or mocking Petraeus. That stuff is OK,
because it has no relevance to how you live.
Here's a guy -- his politics are local. It's his kids. So it's
actually a legitimate kind of protest. Maybe he didn't follow the rules.
But it's mocked. It's seen as silly because he's a parent dealing
with his kid. You know, that's funny. But, however, if he was doing a
sit-in or a hungry strike at Columbia, it would be romanticized.
PERINO: I think there are few things you get more passionate about
then your children's education. He might not have a choice but to send his
kids to public school. A lot of people, if they had the mean, might say,
I'll choose to go some place else, Catholic school or some sort of private
But a lot of people don't have that choice. There's not the voucher
system that he might want. When he says you are cowards, you have
questions too and you're not asking them, it could be that he was actually
asking questions for other people as well. It just got -- maybe got caught
up in the moment, but I thought the way he was treated was terrible.
GUILFOYLE: And he was retreating away when --
BECKEL: That board of education -- I've heard them a lot louder than
that. I think the guy had legitimate questions.
But when you open this by saying under Obama, I say, once again, let's
impeach Obama so we don't have local school boards have problems.
BOLLING: You got a lot of positive Twitter reaction you said on
GUILFOYLE: People think you finally figured it out, Bob.
BOLLING: Hold on, next up, the National Park Service is creating
quite controversy over hosting an anti-Muslim Islamophobia video. In it,
young girls talk about the ways America is unfairly treating Muslims and
that Islam is accepting of women. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People think that Islam oppresses women and
there's no equality. But they're wrong. There's equity.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In some case, women had a whole bunch
(INAUDIBLE). Western women acquired later in the 19th and 20th centuries.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Yes, the parks department that posted this video is the same
one who claims to be broke, closing national parks due to sequester.
BOLLING: Dana --
PERINO: That's my point. We're tracking. We're going to see a lot
of nervousness from the National Parks Service, may have to shut down
because of the sequester, or because of government shutdown, which I don't
-- I'm not advocating for. But it is curious what they are able to spend
their time on and the government's ban on these types of things.
BOLLING: Huge question, Greg, why is the National Park Service
involving itself in Muslim women's issues?
GUTFELD: Tolerance. The whole trend of tolerance infects everywhere.
Sometimes it's legit, other times it's just silly.
My belief is that this was done by an intern. They need to give her
something to do. It's a project. Just do the tolerance video on the
voting rights of Muslim women and how that's superior to American women.
Either that or clean the coffee maker. She chose the video.
BOLLING: I want to bring it around very quickly. One of these young
ladies, very nice young ladies, says, you know, what they don't understand
about Islam, there's so much equality in Islam. In Islam, they talk about
having to wear --
GUILFOYLE: OK, there's so much equality. So, if a woman is raped
under Sharia law, then the woman has, it has to be witnessed by at four
men, otherwise, they'll just stone her to death. I mean, this is honor
killings. All this is well-documented, happening in the name of their
So, this is just completely duplicitous and a waste and inappropriate
use of tax dollars.
BOLLING: Mr. Beckel, you talk about fair and balanced. Where's the
fair and balanced here? I didn't see a Christian video. I didn't see a
GUTFELD: What about gay rights?
BOLLING: There is one.
BECKEL: -- fair and balanced, whatever that money, I would have taken
it and saved one redwood tree and kept these women off the air.
BOLLING: You are really cranky today, Beckel.
BECKEL: I'm not cranky. Muslim community, it's time for us to start
speaking out about this.
GUILFOYLE: Part of the solution, right, Bob? Versus part of the
BECKEL: They don't have any solutions.
BOLLING: Up next, some surprises and some not so surprising moments
at last night Emmys. What did "The Five" think about the big award show ands
what are some of the must-see shows this fall besides "The Five", of course?
BOLLING: After the break. Don't go away.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, it was Hollywood's big night at the 65th Annual
Primetime Emmys Awards last night.
And "Breaking Bad" and "Modern Family" took the top prizes for best
drama and best comedy series. More than 17 million people watched, Bob,
you were glued to the set. Looking at the screen.
What were you doing?
BECKEL: I was flying out there to be there on the red carpet and my
plane was delayed so I couldn't be there.
The only thing I would say is why "House of Cards" did not get more
awards, I do not know. Whoever votes for this -- you vote for "Newsroom"?
That thing -- it's a cheap horrible show compared to "House of Cards." I
mean, so, bah!
GUILFOYLE: OK, that was interesting. You bah humbug that.
OK, Greg. What did you like?
GUTFELD: I agree with Bob. Jeff Daniels winning over Bryan Cranston,
"Newsroom," which is obnoxious, left wing flap doodle, was a sad moment.
But I want to point out, just overall, award shows are basically
funerals for the living. It's amazing that people who get the most
attention in the history of the world, celebrities, need to have a show to
still tell them how important they are. They need stars to tell stars that
they're special. Weird. It's weird.
PERINO: Yes. They all looked really bored too at the beginning.
GUTELD: Well, they're all high.
PERINO: Oh, well, I guess there's a lot of anticipation, you could
probably get a little nervous.
GUTFELD: And meth (ph).
Now, Mr. Bolling, you are my personal TV guide. I just ask you what
should I watch and then you told me "24," but I'd seen that so you have
some other suggestions. Well, before, before.
BOLLING: So, "Dexter" ended last night. Fantastic series,
unbelievable series. After eight seasons.
I was going to talk about "Homeland" because I love that and it's
starting next week. But I have to talk about Stephen Colbert.
My friend Stephen Colbert last night took home for the first time the
best variety show. Beat Jon Stewart out. Wish him a big congratulations.
He was himself when he accepted his award. That was different, he's
out of character. His character is a cross between Bill O'Reilly and Greta
Van Susteren. I think he's a really nice guy and I love to him and
PERINO: You may have helped him.
BOLLING: You think?
PERINO: Maybe you were great material.
BECKEL: That's very big of you to say that after he trashed you like
BOLLING: Couple times but --
GUILFOYLE: Listen, as long as Bolling's getting air time attention,
he's like, yes.
GUILFOYLE: OK, green.
GUTFELD: I hope he edits out certain things --
GUILFOYLE: OK, all right. So I love always the fashion. Shocking.
I love the red carpet moments. I actually think that was the
strongest part of the show last night because it was a little bit dull. I
hate to say it. I wasn't in love, besides the dancing, Neil Patrick
Harris, I'm a fan of boogie. But I didn't, I don't know --
BECKEL: You see that woman with the flowered dress?
GUILFOYLE: Yes, did you like it, Bob?
BECKEL: That was disgraceful.
GUILFOYLE: Bob, you wouldn't turn her away.
BECKEL: I wouldn't turn anybody away walking down (INAUDIBLE) but
that dress, ooh.
GUILFOYLE: What else are some good shows? Bolling, you say "Dexter."
"Homeland." What else?
BOLLING: "Walking Dead." Loving "Walking Dead", but that's a little
bit down the road. But "Homeland" starts next week.
A lot of people are upset about the way it's all about terrorism. A
lot of stuff we talk about, politics and terror.
GUILFOYLE: Dana, you and Peter are quite the team.
PERINO: That's right. I loved "House of Card", can't wait for that
to come back. But "Justified" is my favorite. "Downton Abbey" is great.
And for competition show and actually one of the prizes was "The
Voice" on NBC which starts up I think maybe even tonight. Not that I'm
saying you should watch it.
GUILFOYLE: You should only just watch "The Five". You don't want to
pull (ph) your head with anything else, right?
PERINO: Well, Blake Shelton is one of the best judges, it's great.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Bob?
BECKEL: Well, my choice would be to see "The House of Cards", and
also to see the repeat of "The Five" at 2: 0 and then see "RED EYE" at 3:00.
Those are my choices.
GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness. You're so clever, you're able to get in.
BECKEL: Then on Saturday, I would see Eric's show, because Eric's
show is very, very good. I mean, really good.
GUILFOYLE: When you wake up in time to be on it.
BECKEL: I got on it.
GUILFOYLE: One time.
BECKEL: I was a little late once.
GUILFOYLE: Exactly. OK. Command performance as well.
Ahead on "The Five", reports that North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un is
producing massive amounts of the highly addictive drug crystal meth and he
may be looking to export it around the world. Details when we come back.
BECKEL: One of the hottest shows on TV is "Breaking Bad" and won an
Emmy for best drama series last night. It's about a high school chemistry
teacher who turns to the business of making crystal meth.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know all about your operation. My partners are
telling me that you produce a meth that's 70 percent pure, if you're lucky.
What I produce is 99.1 percent pure. So?
So it's grade school t-ball versus the New York Yankees. Yours is
just some tepid off-brand generic koala. What I'm making is classic coke.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: All right. Walter White is a fictional character, but in the
real world North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un may be responsible for a meth
epidemic in his own country and other countries around him. Reports say
North Korea is pumping out massive quantities of methamphetamine with up to
50 percent of the people in some parts of the country hooked on the drug.
My experience, crystal meth is the most dangerous drug. It is the
most addictive, and you get to 98 percent and 99 percent, these are
scientists making this.
It's used to suppress appetites. One of the things they are doing,
clearly a country that's starving, and I guess they decided to make all
their people addicts. It's just unbelievable to me that a country could
get away with that.
PERINO: I was going to say plus because there are so many countries
that refuse to do business with North Korea, they don't have enough hard
currency, and so they are looking for ways to export products and goods
that would be lucrative for them. And this is like a slow-moving weapons
of mass destruction. The drug addiction in their own country is going to
be lax but when it's exported to China or even over to the United States,
it could be really bad.
BOLLING: If -- if you're a dictator and your country doesn't have
oil, have you to export something, and it's not going to be terror, it's
going to be drugs and Kim Jong-un's point, I guess it's drugs.
Unfortunately, our kids -- is that hitting our shores though?
BECKEL: Oh, yes, that's the problem. One of the things is the big
meth labs are in Illinois, Missouri, Tennessee. They put out stuff that's
GUILFOYLE: And in southern California.
BECKEL: And, yes, southern California. It is a huge market, and if
they are probably not 98 percent, 99 percent, there are going to be a lot
of dead people.
GUTFELD: I think that 90, that was from the show "Breaking Bad," that
number. I don't know if actually North Korea is doing that. But now we
know why Dennis Rodman --
GUILFOYLE: But they have scientists making it.
GUTFELD: Now we know why Dennis Rodman is so happy and why he keeps
going over there.
By the way, if I leave in North Korea, I'd be doing meth all the time,
too. Can you blame them?
GUILFOYLE: I guess they won't care to get involved about the country
and politics and government and what's really going on there.
GUTFELD: They get killed.
GUILFOYLE: Not hungry, they are like whatever, and they are addicted
so it's like making zombies, robots.
BECKEL: If scientists are making this stuff, and they apparently
dedicated a lot of scientists doing it, it is a very high quality
methamphetamine, and methamphetamine -- I give you an example.
Methamphetamine, they call it a poor man's cocaine. A gram of
methamphetamine will last you three days. A gram of cocaine lasted me
about three minutes, but the -- it is a very, very dangerous drug.
GUILFOYLE: And it's not that difficult to make, and that's why people
are manufacturing, children getting killed because it's very explosive.
BECKEL: But "One More Thing" is up next.
GUILFOYLE: You know, I like you so much that --
PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" and because she's been so
well behaved, let's start with Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you very much. I appreciate that, Dana.
So, I just want to give you a little update. Interesting article in
"Rolling Stone" magazine that you might like and enjoy the band Mumford &
Sons. They're going to be taking a much-needed break, not going to be
performing live for a while. They played their last tour date on Friday
night in Bonner Springs, Kansas. Our senior producer loves them as well.
So great band. What?
PERINO: Wow, is that what you say that? Do you like them?
GUILFOYLE: I do like their music, it's good.
PERINO: Oh, wow.
GUILFOYLE: So mean, you're so mean.
PERINO: I'm joining Eric on calling --
GUTFELD: I don't understand what's going on.
GUILFOYLE: (INAUDIBLE) I think he's been traveling to North Korea too
often. But we wish them the best and fans are waiting for them to come
back. But --
PERINO: We will stay on this story.
Bob, you're next.
GUILFOYLE: Hazing from the left side of the table.
BECKEL: President Obama getting heat about his golf game,
particularly from Eric. I like to hear from somebody who had that office
before and what he had to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is golf such a hot button issue?
GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT: You know, I see our president
criticized for playing golf. I don't. I think he ought to play golf.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why is that?
BUSH: Well, because I know what it's like to be in the bubble. And I
know the pressures of the job and to be able to get outside and play golf
with some of your pals is important for the president. It does give you an
UNIDENTIFEID MALE: It's a good release then?
BUSH: I think it is, and I think it's good for the president to be
out playing golf.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BECKEL: Enough said.
PERINO: So nice.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, you know why, because if he's out playing golf
there's less meddling in U.S. foreign and domestic policy.
BOLLING: I go very quickly, my son yesterday told me "The Five" and
"Grand Theft Auto V" have a lot in common. Number one, everyone -- all his
friends are saying I look like this guy. That's the protagonist, Michael.
But also this. If you play the game, inside there's a cookie you can
open up, and there's this guy, impotent rage. And get this -- he's a
liberal superhero who gobbles Viagra and spews liberal talking points, I
kid you not.
GUILFOYLE: That's Bob?
BOLLING: Impotent rage. You got it, Kimberly.
GUIFOYLE: You have impotent rage? That actually explains a lot.
PERINO: You have to explain cookie, not like a real edible thing.
BOLLING: If you play around in the game, you can actually get to a
television, you can change the channel to find impotent rage.
PERINO: Greg is next.
GUTFELD: Exciting news for Oakland Raider fans, they have -- it's not
a new live mascot, but it's new cartoon mascot from Nickelodeon. I was
thinking, this looks a lot like somebody I know. Well, I guess -- what the
GUFELD: That's the most idiotic -- you people are incompetent.
PERINO: It's Monday, well, that was actually my one more thing.
GUILFOYLE: Is that what happened?
GUTFELD: All right. Well done, people.
PERINO: OK, so that was my one more thing, which is Jasper got to go
to Kennebunkport, Maine. That's Jasper showing you Walker's Point, which
is where George H.W. Bush lives with Barbara Bush for most of the year. He
had to go to the beach. That's him as Jasper Cyrus, and he was on the
beach, and we've had a great Monday, and we are going to be back at it
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