Hollywood's obsession with anti-heroes

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 27, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: So, producer Harvey Weinstein says he's going to hold a summit on movie violence in the wake of last week's shooting. But he still thinks it's all about gun control. So, is this soul searching for real?

I don't know. I think it's a cover against the backlash. Also, to let them rip on the right the next time something bad happens. After all, you look kind of dumb ragging on Sarah Palin about a crosshairs logo when your movies drown in blood.

But I don't believe movies make men kill any more than romantic comedies make women stupid. It's worth questioning the obsession with homicidal gore. It's all 1960s-antihero crud. It's the one thing Hollywood denies. They'll say, yes, movies are violent, but they won't add, we do it to be cool. And "Reservoir Dogs" (INAUDIBLE) that Michael Madison was torturing a cop. It was cool.

So it's the celebration of the antihero that makes Hollywood weak. They hate normal notions of good and evil and their parents, as they say to all, look at me. I'm edgy.

Why did Woody Harrelson play a serial killer? Because he was Woody, the nice bartender in "Cheers." Why did Jared Leto play Mark David Chapman, the killer? Because he was once a teen idol. Blood lust ups your cool factor.

But if you want to make a real edgy film, how about one with an anti- antihero? The hero who calls B.S. on the fake assumes that edgy equals hero? That will never happen for in Hollywood, that's scarier than running out of low.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: By the way, was that a cheap shot at the men in there nestled subtly? Romantic comedy?

KIMBELY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That makes women stupid.

GUTFELD: I do hate romantic comedies, because they make me cry.

GUILFOYLE: Would you like to give a Beckel apology to women watching romantic comedies --

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: No, no, he said women in romantic comedies.

TANTAROS: No, he didn't.

GUTFELD: All right, Bob, you think this is all show or do you think Weinstein means this?

BECKEL: I think it's mostly show. By the way, Kimberly is going to the Hamptons with the Romneys --

GUILFOYLE: No, I'm not.

BECKEL: Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were.

GUTFELD: Are trying to derail this.

GUILFOYLE: He is.

GUTFELD: Look, I think you had it exactly right in your monologue. They're reacting to the outpouring of this and they're going to have a summit. Does anybody think any of these producers or director are going to change what they do things?

Look, these movies sell tickets. It's as simple as that. I don't care how you cut it, you want to be for the free market, the free market is a lot of people buy these tickets. I mean, I don't --

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I completely agree with you. I think had is all just for publicity. They say they did something, they're looking into it. They're not going to change. I don't want them to change. I think they have the right to make the movies. They should make whatever movie they want to make.

My only issue is, I think the rating systems needs to be upgraded and they need to look at how much violence kids if they're 13 to 17 should be seeing with or without parent. But beyond that -- go ahead and make it. If it doesn't sell, they'll stop making it.

GUILFOYLE: They're trying to show they're socially responsible, that they have intense thought process about how their movies might affect young children, how it might affect the public at large. They sort of half do it, the cleaned up image and then they'll go back to making blockbusters and --

GUTFELD: Hasn't violence changed? I mean --

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, not to sound old, but I am old. It was good versus evil, you know, Clint Eastwood would show up in the town and the bad guys would die.

These days, you can't tell bad from good. Because that's post -- you know, deconstructionism. There's no such thing as good and evil.

TANTAROS: No. I think you're absolutely right. Now, look, I think so what?

They stopped making all violent movies from now until the end of time, there's still plenty of movies.

And any sane person reading the "Iliad and the Odyssey" is not going to go out and buy bow and arrow and start shooting people. So, it really is the people. Not the movies.

But I applaud Harvey Weinstein, Greg, for what you just pointed out. I think there was a point in Hollywood where Hollywood used to self-regulate and think itself, and then it just went off the rails. They're sort just doing these blockbusters of shock and awe where they were just blowing everything up.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: So, if they're going to start to go back to self regulation instead of government regulation, I'm all for it. They'll probably make better movie.

BECKEL: You think it's changed. I mean, I'll tell you, when I saw the exorcist when the head spun around, that was like really bad violence as far as I was concerned.

GUTFELD: Bob, that wasn't a movie. That was the date you were on.

BECKEL: OK. Sorry.

GUILFOYLE: You mean tonight's date? Foreshadowing?

BECKEL: No, tonight's date is great.

TANTAROS: You need some ones for that date?

BECKEL: No, it's more than that.

TANTAROS: OK.

GUTFELD: Beautiful.

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