Federal government on brink of first shutdown in nearly two decades; Madonna contaminates concern

Published Friday, September 27, 2013 / The Five

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 27, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert.

Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros.

Just a short while ago, President Obama delivered remarks at the White House after the Senate voted to advance legislation to prevent a government shutdown. The measure now moves to the House without a provision to defund ObamaCare. But Democrats succeeded in stripping that from the bill, but legislation faces an uncertain fate in the Republican-

controlled House.

Here's President Obama stepping up the pressure on them.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The good news is, within the past couple of hour, the United States Senate, Democrats and Republicans, acted responsibly by voting to keep our government open and delivering the services the American people expect. Now, it's up to the Republicans in the House of Representatives to do the same.

So far, the Republicans in the House of Representatives have refused to move forward. The House of Representatives are so concerned with appeasing the Tea Party that they've threatened the government shutdown or worse unless I gut or appeal the Affordable Care Act. I said this yesterday. Let me repeat it. That's not going to happen.

I am willing to work with anybody who wants to have a serious conversation about our fiscal future. We're not going to do this under the threat of blowing up the entire economy. I will not negotiate over Congress' responsibility to pay the bills that have already been racked up. I don't know how I can be more clear about this.

Nobody gets to threaten the full faith and credit of the United States just to extract political concessions.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Well, the president also delivered some surprising news during his remarks. He says he spoke on the phone earlier with President Rouhani of Iran, marking the first time that leaders from both countries have directly communicated since 1979. So, what do you guys think about the president negotiating with the Iranian president but not Republicans?

Eric, a little bit shocking that he would open up his speech with that news.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yes, I'm blown away. I'm flabbergasted the president made the phone call to Rouhani after 30-plus, `79, 33 years or so. And there's a reason we haven't negotiated with Iran, because they're state-sponsored terrorists. They're the central bank for terrorism around the world.

We all know a lot of people who died in 9/11, the World Trade Center. A lot of money funding that mission is directly tied -- from the 9/11 Commission, directly tied to Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas. We're going to talk about it a lot more later. But, man, what a mistake.

TANTAROS: Yes, this is big news. So, quick reaction from you, Greg, on this revelation.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: It tells me. You know, I was watching, listening to President Obama, how incredibly tough he was talking about the Republicans. And I realized that Republicans want to negotiate with Obama, they should put on Putin masks, and then he will fold like a weak card table.

I don't know. You know the thing is -- he talked about a crisises (ph) and he was blaming the Republicans on this crisises. It's like me blaming my wife for my drinking. I don't se how this is the Republicans fault.

He talked about deficit reduction. This got me -- he was talking about how the deficit's being reduced faster in the last 60 years. That's because he's collected more taxes. That's like bragging that you paid your rent after you robbed a bank. It makes no sense.

TANTAROS: Bob, you think this is a little too much for President Obama. Again, he takes the podium. He tries to control the messaging, a little too much or a smart move by the White House?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, look, there's a couple ways to look at this. We talked about three different things here. We're talking about the Iranians. We're talking about debt ceiling. We're talking about the budget.

I'll take the Iranians when we get back to that segment.

TANTAROS: Yes, good.

BECKEL: The -- on the budget deal, it seems to me that right now, the Republicans are in the driver's seat. They've got Obama on the defensive.

If they succeeded in shutting down government, we know they'll take the hit on it. Now, the question is, do you really want to do that politically? The last time they did that, they got hurt badly.

Do you want to mess around with the full faith and credit of the United States? That one of all of them, I'd rather see them shut the government down because that will be -- "The Wall Street Journal" thinks the markets will fall 1,500 points in the first day. I'll tell you, your -

- this is what currencies are backed with, the dollar --

BOLLING: That's an unfair statement, what you're saying. We're not going to default. We just won't default. I mean, there are ways of not defaulting even if you don't raise the debt ceiling, and even if you don't fund the government.

BECKEL: How do you do that?

BOLLING: What it is, it's President Obama sounding the alarm, scaring the crap out of the American people. Saying if you don't raise the debt feeling, we're going to default.

BECKEL: I'm asking you a serious question, how do you do that? I don't know you could.

BOLLING: You can print more money -- you just print and pay. I mean, it's a bad option, but you can do it.

TANTAROS: And President Obama has no problem, Katie, printing money.

KATIE PAVLICH, CO-HOST: Right. Absolutely.

TANTAROS: What do you think the goal of Republicans are? Because, of course, there's two issues -- funding the government, and that involves the defunding of ObamaCare, but also raising the debt ceiling.

So, what do you think the goals are by the House Republicans?

PAVLICH: Well, I think their goal is to do what they said they're going to do, which is stop ObamaCare on both fronts. And I think, now, the goal is going to be which actually has been the goal for a long time in the House is to get some concession on the individual mandate or on the delay when it companies to -- or on the exemption that Congress gets from ObamaCare.

But going back to what President Obama was saying real quickly, I want to compare how long the phone call that President Obama made to John Boehner last week was to the phone call that he made to the Iranian president. I'm wondering which one was longer. It's funny that -- and the same statement he made when he's talking about Republicans and the Iranians, he's talking to Republicans through the television. He said, if any of you are watching this, you need to think about who you're hurting.

So instead of sitting down with him at a table, he's instead talking to them through a television screen while he's on the phone with the Iranian president.

BECKEL: Katie, he spent hours with Boehner last year, hours and hours and hours --

PAVLICH: It's a different year. We're at the situation today.

BECKEL: Yes. But, I mean, they've tried to have these conversations and both sides are being, think, not being very reasonable about this all way around.

TANTAROS: That's not exactly fair. I mean, last time around, Bob, Boehner conceded. He had a very angry conference on his hand. And, Greg, there's a lot of things that Republicans want. One of them is something that you support, which is the Keystone Pipeline.

GUTFELD: Right.

TANTAROS: They also were talking about a delay of the individual mandate, or removing those subsidies to member of Congress. I actually changed my mind. I don't think they should delay the individual mandate, because I think the president will take them up on that offer and then blame Republicans for denying people health care.

That aside, what do you think Republicans should go for?

GUTFELD: Well, I think that -- I think they should focus on the individual mandate, because if the employees at a restaurant don't want to eat at their restaurant, why should you? If there's an "F" on the door, you don't go into that restaurant. That's what they're saying.

We should force -- there should be a rider I guess on the debt ceiling that says politicians must be forced to take their own medicine. And by their own medicine, it means not just public health but also public education. They got to put their kids in public school.

BECKEL: On the budget?

GUTFELD: Yes, on the budget, sorry. They got to put their kids into public school. They got to take public health. They would become libertarian faster than you could say Ayn Rand.

BECKEL: Well, you know, I think you make -- you make a good point here. They keep focusing on ObamaCare which is not going to happen. You probably could get some other things. You probably could get the Keystone Pipeline, you might be able to get one or two other things.

But to keep the focus on ObamaCare when it is clear they're not going to get it and then take the threat of shutting down the government when they probably can get two or three other --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: There would be a deal.

PAVLICH: Nobody has threatened to shut down the government. That is a talking point from the left.

TANTAROS: That President Obama threatened.

PAVLICH: Yes, President Obama has threatened. Only threatening the government shutdown comes from has been from the left. The Republicans in the House and the Senate have been saying we will fund every single thing in the entire government except for ObamaCare. You get everything else except for ObamaCare.

And it's ridiculous that we're at this point when 77 percent of people want the individual mandate delay. When a majority of people want Keystone and have wanted it for a long time. We have to come to a debt ceiling negotiation to get those.

BECKEL: What do you mean we're not going to have a shutdown? We are going to have a shutdown.

BOLLING: We are.

PAVLICH: No one's threatening it, though.

Republicans aren't saying we want to shut the government down.

BOLLING: No, but here -- the reason why Bob's right, there will be a government shutdown once they get a resolution signed and they're not going to get it. I'll explain that in one second. The reason why they don't is because they didn't do that the first time around.

PAVLICH: Right. No one is saying they want to be.

BOLLING: The House didn't separate ObamaCare or attach it to at least something else where they can say we'll pass all these other things and not pass this one yet. Then, you had a game. You had an argument as a Republican.

Here's why this thing I think is shut down for the first time ever, ever could possibly happen. The House Republicans, Tea Party guys, even Boehner now, they have to address ObamaCare. Harry Reid in the Senate, let's say they do, then that House bill, that Senate bill that went to the House, gets fixed, address ObamaCare. They send it back to the Senate.

Harry Reid categorically said, if you touch that bill any way, shape or form, it's a no. And they have the votes for no. So --

BECKEL: There were 17 days in the '90s where they were shut down. I mean, they filled in and got money from here and there.

BOLLING: Fair enough. I mean, in recent times, like the last few times --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: It could mean, '95 seems like a recent time.

TANTAROS: But, Bob, you actually make a -- you do make a good point. And I think it's the point of many conservative commentators that have taken some heat for not supporting the defunding effort. And that is in the `90s, it was different, because they have passed appropriation bills. This time around, they haven't.

That means that veterans -- as you heard the president say -- veterans won't be getting their checks. Seniors won't be getting their checks.

It's an emotional argument that he's making to scare the American public. Will it work?

BECKEL: Well, I -- listen, I don't think there's any doubt. Of all the polls running against Obama in either single way -- the exception, by the way, Obama, people don't like it, it do not want to see the government shut down because of it, the funding of it.

I think there's going to be a deal. I've watched these things for so many years. They get right to the brink --

BOLLING: How do you do it, though?

BECKEL: Well, I think you do something like what Andrea said. I mean, if you did the pipeline, it seems to me that would be a victory. I mean, I'm not --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: So, you leave ObamaCare.

BECKEL: You can't do anything about ObamaCare.

BOLLING: Yes, the whole reason we're even having this discussion is John Boehner said he would take a look at it. He would bring it to a vote.

BECKEL: The reason he's having that discussion is he can't get his caucus go along with it.

BOLLING: Well, that's my point. The caucus will probably not -- I'm just guessing, speculating, if you throw XL Pipeline and leave ObamaCare in, there's a whole group that are still going to say no.

BECKEL: You mean, take ObamaCare out?

BOLLING: No, if you don't touch Obama --

BECKEL: That's what I mean, yes.

BOLLING: You leave ObamaCare in the Senate bill, they can't vote in the House. If you leave it there, even throw in all the other goodies at Christmas and stuff, they might not vote for it.

TANTAROS: Greg?

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, there is an apocalyptic view to this that is actually kind of appealing, which is the only way to kill big government is to let it kill itself. It's suicide by gluttony. Right now, the government is approaching Fat Elvis during those years in the '70s right before he croaked on the toilet seat. Basically ObamaCare is a huge tray of bacon and banana sandwiches. And it could happen in our lifetimes.

BECKEL: As it happened to Elvis. That was very well put.

GUTFELD: Yes, because we are running out of people -- we're going to run out of people to support this kind of program.

BECKEL: You know, "The Wall Street Journal" had an interesting article today, which is, if you all believe what you believe about ObamaCare. I don't. I think it will eventually work out. It would fall on its own.

GUTFELD: Right.

TANTAROS: That is my feeling --

BECKEL: Why do you want to have this battle?

GUTFELD: The argument behind it that very rarely or ever has that happen, even the worst government program still exists. Yes, that stuff is still there.

TANTAROS: Why is why the Republicans who make the argument to not shut down the government, that actually has worked. If you'd look in countries like in the U.K. when the trash piled up, I mean, that infamous winter, the trash piled up, people were really angry. They ran out of money. This is how you enact change and get conservative leadership.

But I agree with letting it collapse. I actually don't think they should push for the individual mandate. Let the Democrats own it. Let them defend it. And then enact after they run on it and win.

BECKEL: But if they play it on the budget, then that's one thing. I don't agree with it, but it it's one thing. The debt ceiling is a serious, serious issue.

TANTAROS: It is serious.

BECKEL: Interest rates will go sky high. People will dump bonds. I mean, there's a lot involved.

BOLLING: Again, no.

BECKEL: You say no.

BOLLING: It's all the fear-mongering going on.

BECKEL: Well, it's coming out of Wall Street. That's where -- they're the ones saying it.

PAVLICH: I think in the end --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Wall Street is definitely not thinking that this is going to happen.

TANTAROS: They don't think it. Nicole Petallides was reporting live from the street and she said they don't believe it's going to happen.

Ted Cruz though says the road is not over. I'm going to play this sound bite from Cruz reacting to the president.

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SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: The good news is the process isn't other. It's going to go back to the House of Representatives. And I salute the House for having the courage to stand up and fight and defund ObamaCare. And I remain confident, hopeful and optimistic the House will stand their ground, will continue the fight, which means this issue is coming back to the Senate. And when it comes back to the Senate, after the House stands their ground yet again, we will have an opportunity for Republicans to come home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

TANTAROS: Katie, I don't want to speak for Cruz but it sounds like he likes Greg's analogy of Fat Elvis on the toilet ready to O.D.

PAVLICH: Yes. No, I think he's right. I mean, we're at this position right now because we have too much debt. When you don't have as much debt as we do, we don't have to worry about having this debt ceiling fight every single year. And I really think people are getting sick of having this news cycle every single year from Congress, from the Washington bubble -- you know, right down to the wire, not running things like everyday families and businesses do and they're sick of it. And they like them to run things --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Let's try -- it's hard, I know it is, to separate these two things out. But it's really important. It's entirely different things.

It may be -- look, I watched the government when it was shut down for 17 days, that Republicans lost about five points a day in the polls. Now, if you've got a chance to increase your margins in the off-year elections, which you historically do, being well do better because of ObamaCare, if you believe what you all believe, why in the world do you want to put yourself in that position?

BOLLING: You don't. You're not. You're not even going to do it. All you need 51, you have 54 votes in the Senate. It doesn't matter -- I mean, Ted Cruz, he's right, let the Republican senators come home. McConnell, there's 23 Republican senators.

BECKEL: How can you not have a budget without the House of Representatives?

BOLLING: It doesn't matter. My point is he's talking right now. Let these 23 senators come home and vote on the side. We'll still lose -- they'll still lose because they don't have enough votes. It's all getting people in the right position.

BECKEL: I'm a firm believer --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Why would 23 Republican senators vote in favor of cloture when knowing very well it didn't even matter which way they voted? Very strange.

PAVLICH: Good question.

TANTAROS: I think the winning piece for Republicans would be to send that bill back. Let Harry Reid deal with the bill with the XL Pipeline and stripping Congress of those subsidies and ask either member of Congress three questions, did you vote for ObamaCare, do you support the subsidies, and will you be enrolling in ObamaCare?

Make them go on record. And I bet you, you'd find some Republicans who are taking those subsidies as well.

BECKEL: You may be right on that, but I tell you one thing, you don't want to go out there and campaign. If you could campaign against ObamaCare, that's an asset. I mean, I think it's fair to say.

If you're campaigning against ObamaCare, but you're also having to defend yourself for closing the government, that seems to take away the asset from you. Why do you want to do it? I don't get it.

TANTAROS: All right, Bob gets the last word.

Ahead on "The Five", we're going to talk more about the president's phone call today with the president of Iran.

But, first, the White House is ranting up its rhetoric for Republicans, using wild words to attack them over the budget standoff.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAN PFEIFFER, SENIOR OBAMA ADVISOR: Negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: An extortion game --

OBAMA: To try to blackmail a president --

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

TANTAROS: Well, have a lot to say about that.

And later, an emotional good-bye at Yankee Stadium for pitcher Mariano Rivera last night. We'll show you the highlights from the touching sendoff, coming up on "The Five".

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BOLLING: President Obama promised to usher in a new era of civility in our political discourse. We should make sure that, quote, "talk to each other in ways that heal, not in ways that wound," close quote.

Nice thought, Mr. President, I wonder if you and your fellow Democrats are heeding your sage advice.

Ladies and gentlemen, see for yourself, here are Dan Pfeiffer, the president's very own adviser for -- get this -- strategic communications, Jay Carney, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the president himself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

DAN PFEIFFER, SENIOR OBAMA ADVISOR: What we're not for is negotiating with people with a bomb strapped to their chest.

CARNEY: What we cannot do is agree to an extortion game.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), MINORITY LEADER: For many of them, I call them legislative arsonists.

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: The modern day anarchists known as the Tea Party, they believe in no government.

OBAMA: To try to blackmail a president into giving them some concessions on issues that have nothing to do with the budget.

(END VIDEO CLIPS)

BOLLING: So Republicans are extortionists, bomb strapped to their vest, arsonists, one who lit your house on fire, anarchists, blackmailers.

Bob, President O talks the talk and then walks a completely different walk. I would call him the divider-in-chief.

BECKEL: Well, those are the kinds of discussions you have when nobody else is around. I'm sure the Republicans have (INAUDIBLE) say about him. But the one with Pfeiffer on that bomb strapped to the thing -- I mean, don't look to me to defend it. I mean, I defend you guys as much as I possibly can, but some days I feel like I'm only the fire hydrant to Westminster dog show.

That's the kind thing we don't need. If we're trying to get something resolve here. That one bothered me.

BOLLING: Greg, President Obama, right after the Gabby Gifford shooting said we need to usher in a new era of civil discourse in politics. But not heeding his own advice.

GUTFELD: I don't -- I like heated rhetoric.

BECKEL: No kidding.

GUTFELD: Heated rhetoric -- no heated rhetoric is progress when you think about happened before. We used to actually kill each other before we discovered rhetoric in words. If you look at other countries, there are people attacking each other in parliament and stuff. We talked about the rhetoric they were using.

There was some rhetoric earlier by a lefty who compared the critics of defunding to accepting the Nazis that would dominate the continent of Europe. Let's appease. He was comparing critics of ObamaCare to appeasers, Nazi appeasers. That leftist was Ted Cruz.

So we can't be hypocrites here. We delivered. The problem with Republicans and conservatives is we attack each other.

BOLLING: In fairness, though, Greg, I'm sure Ted Cruz didn't say we need to usher in a new era of civil discourse in our politics.

GUTFELD: Clearly, no. Yes.

BOLLING: Ands, Dan Pfeiffer for me probably the most concerning at all because he is the strategic communications adviser. What's the strategy here?

TANTAROS: The strategy is, if you can't defend the policy, then just pick crazy words to call Republicans and hope it works.

It actually has worked to some degree. I mean, you lock at the ratings, the approval ratings of the Tea Party, and they're really not that good and that's a shame because you look at what the Tea Party is doing, they're trying to get jobs created through a Keystone Pipeline. They're trying to shrink government. They're trying to release the burden on the backs of the American people that was caused by their spending. They're trying to delay a bill that 55 percent of Americans don't like.

What's so bad about that? What warrants that kind of language?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: Can I respond? It's a good point, but that rhetoric is coming from journalists, which is worse. I mean, I -- what pisses me off is the rhetoric, the hateful rhetoric that comes from people that are supposed to be objective.

PAVLICH: Right.

GUTFELD: Politicians, you know Harry Reid hates you. We get it. But when somebody from "The New York Times" or "The Washington Post" is saying this stuff, that's different, that's offensive, that's wrong.

TANTAROS: Don't you think that's why it worked though? It worked during the playbook of the 2012 campaign. So, they're just running the same play.

GUTFELD: If a journalist calls you a racist, chances are, all other journalists will call you a racist.

BOLLING: Jump in here, Katie. Can I also point out that the Democrat senator from Maryland, called the Tea Party, teabaggers.

PAVLICH: Well, I think it's interesting that people like Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi said that the Tea Party was dead and they weren't influential and yet they're still talking about the Tea Party. And I also -- I want to remind the viewers that people like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama endorsed the Occupy Wall Street movement which is actually full of anarchists and yet they don't embrace people like Andrea pointed out, who want to create jobs.

BECKEL: You don't believe some of the Tea Party members of the House are a little bit of anarchists in this case?

PAVLICH: Oh, yes, Bob, they're anarchists on the floor of the House because they want to vote against the bill that the majority of the country doesn't like.

BECKEL: No, against the bill. It is a law, OK.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Can I roll this really quick? I'll let you respond to Al Gore. Guys, roll.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think the only phrase that describes it is political terrorism. And now, you want to threaten to not only shut down our government, but to blow up the world economy unless we go back and undo what we did according to the processes of our democracy? How dare you?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: How dare you? Come on, Bob.

BECKEL: He's right. How dare you try to undue the process? It's a law. Go out and beat it by getting people elected. Don't try to do it by stealth and by -- and they are. There are some of these people in the House, are just so far right that they refuse to recognize what they're about to do.

PAVLICH: I think --

GUTFELD: Al Gore completely lied about climate change in an effort to make a lot of money.

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: I'm willing to defend is that he is right. It was a process he went through. You didn't like it, you didn't win, but that is the law of the land.

PAVLICH: So, why is Obama repealing parts of it?

TANTAROS: So blowing things up are only OK I guess in the name of the environment? I guess that's OK, and if it's Occupy Wall Street.

But real quick, that senator who made the comment about teabaggers --

BOLLING: Yes?

TANTAROS: -- I just -- can I give a little advice to the old man on Capitol Hill? Stop saying teabagger. Ask your younger staffers what it means.

BOLLING: It's an old woman on Capitol Hill actually.

TANTAROS: Thank you. Just my two cents.

BECKEL: Now, everybody is going to know what it is.

TANTAROS: It's a suggestion.

BOLLING: We're going to leave it there.

BECKEL: I know what it is.

PAVLICH: Google it.

BOLLING: Next on "The Five": some big news from President Obama today. He spoke on the phone with the president of Iran. We have lots to say about that.

And later, Louise Ciccone, better known as Madonna, may have finally lost it. The Material Girl has released what could be her strangest video yet -- 17 minutes long, something that's too hard to describe. So, we'll just show you parts we can when we come back.

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PAVLICH: The president is making some big news. Just a short while ago, Mr. Obama said he spoke to Iranian President Hassan Rouhani by telephone today. Noting it was the first communication between an American and Iranian president since 1979. The call was 15 minutes long.

Here's President Obama earlier.

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OBAMA: Just now, I spoke on the phone with President Rouhani of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The two of us discussed our ongoing efforts to reach an agreement over Iran's nuclear program. I reiterated to president Rouhani what I said in New York.

While there will surely be important obstacles to moving forward and success is by no means guaranteed, I believe we can reach a comprehensive solution.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PAVLICH: Now, Andrea, we thought this meeting would maybe happen in New York City during the U.N. Why do you think it happened today and not in person?

TANTAROS: I think time is on the side of the Iranian president. I think he wants to drag his heels and he figured he can better manipulate things if he's on the phone, rather than a sit-down meeting, which gives residuals and they can take pictures of them coming out. I think this is exactly what they wanted.

The whole reason we're having this conflict in Syria is because Putin wants to take Iranian oil and channel that oil up to Europe. That's the missing piece. We never hear that story from the media.

The Iranians are not going to cede any kind of power. They're not going to cede any kind of control. Rouhani used to be the nuclear negotiator. Any YouTube saying this is our mission to become nuclear. He's not going to change his mind.

PAVLICH: Right.

TANTAROS: This is just getting played, the president yet again.

PAVLICH: Bob, when it comes to Iran, isn't this is issue about whether the new president can be trusted? Why do you think that they're reaching out now? It has been a while, 1979. Why do you think President Obama is reaching out so many years later?

BECKEL: Well, it's a tough act to follow, Rafsanjani. But I was in Tehran in 1979 with the last congressional delegation there and Bakhtiar had just been installed as the president and there were people outside our hotel room saying "death to Americans." Fortunately, the military attache said, let's get out of here.

The problem is, we've had three generations of Iranians who have come to really hate the United States. The Persians used to be a pretty strong -- my on problem with people who say don't talk to him. What are we going to do, put our head in the sand, just let this thing go? Why not take a shot at having a conversation with them?

BOLLING: Because they're terrorists and they found terrorism around the world.

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: The reason why no one had spoken to them for the last 33 years is because they sponsored Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinians, Al Qaeda, 9/11. The last time anyone spoke to the Iranians was when Ronald Reagan said, I've just been elected and you better let our hostages go or you guys are absolutely screwed, we're going to level you, and they let --

BECKEL: That's not exactly historical --

(CROSSTALK)

BOLLING: Can I point out one more thing? Iran, 4 million barrels of oil per day they pump out at 100 bucks a barrel, $400 a day. They are a boatload of petrel dollars financing --

BECKEL: Most of the dollars come from Saudi Arabia.

(CROSSTALK)

PAVLICH: That's the question, can they be trusted? So I do think we have some sound here of President Obama talking about more of that phone call.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: Iran's Supreme Court has issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons. President Rouhani has indicated Iran will never develop nuclear weapons. I've made clear that we respect the right of the Iranian people to access peaceful nuclear energy in the context of Iran meeting its obligations.

So, the tests will be meaningful, transparent and verifiable actions which can also bring relief from the comprehensive international sanctions that are currently in place.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PAVLICH: So, Greg, do you think the fatwa's a real one against the nuclear program or do you think that's just --

GUTFELD: Right, I admire President Obama's ability to trust strangers. Gee whiz.

You got to hand it to him. Obama speaks softly and he carries an iPod of his even speeches which is good.

You know what the agreement is? The agreement is we're going to have nukes and you're going to agree to it. That's it. We know that's going to happen. What else can happen?

TANTAROS: Maybe Republicans should get nukes and the president will talk to them.

BECKEL: Listen, maybe you don't have a fifth person on this show. Because I got a call from the Justice Department say, Bob, you've really got to stop doing this with Muslims. I did.

TANTAROS: Well, you launched fatwas against everybody.

BECKEL: I know. But I don't want a fatwa launched against me.

PAVLICH: You're an American. There's already --

TANTAROS: Too late for that.

BECKEL: Anyway, if I did with --

PAVLICH: All right, directly ahead on "The Five": Madonna is at it again. This time, launching what she calls the revolution, perhaps to review her career. Greg breaks down the material girl's new bizarre campaign for freedom of expression, up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Some things get better with age. And then there's Madonna.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADONNA, SINGER: Economic markets are collapsing. People all over the world are suffering and people afraid. What happens when peep are afraid? They become intolerant.

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GUTFELD: Because no one asks for it, Madge offers a 17 minute film dedicated to anyone who suffered from persecution. And if you have to ask why, then you'll never understand the mind of a faded pop star.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADONNA: I keep telling everyone that I want to start a revolution but no one is taking me seriously. If I had black skin and an afro, would you take me seriously? If I was an Arab waving a hand grenade, would you take me seriously?

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GUTFELD: Somebody get that poor man some medicine.

So, unlike those who fight truly intolerant things like terrorism throughout the world, she's really the lone brave voice in the wilderness standing up against evil. But she does it her way. Pseudo-artsy film featuring dribble called from a dark chat room, it's so bad it's bad. Look.

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MADONNA: We live in a very scary time. Or should I say we don't live at all.

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GUTFELD: Oh, the suffering.

Look, I'm glad she cares. She cares so much that she makes root for not caring. And she trivializes suffering by making it about her, which is nothing new. It's how the cool contaminate real concern. To them, the world's a Denny's buffet of suffering, one they load up on when they're hungry for attention.

And they go back for seconds, and thirds and fourths on tolerance. Tolerance but never terrorism -- tolerance is the jumbo shrimp and terrorism is the coleslaw. No one ever touches the coleslaw.

If she really worries about victims of prosecution, then really she should worry about all of us who must endure that film. In her world, we are the tortured and she the torturer. It really makes me miss those pointy bras. I own them.

(LAUGHTER)

BECKEL: That thing looked like a scene out of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: Isn't it?

GUTFELD: It was interesting. It could have been performance art or it could have been dribble.

BECKEL: What's performance art?

TANTAROS: Or it could have been a montage of every one of her old videos of her entire career.

GUTFELD: Yes.

TANTAROS: The whip, right? And the fish net stockings. I'm having flashbacks to the "Erotica" album, right? I mean, this is -- she's doing throwbacks to I guess make herself relevant.

But all these stuff she's done before -- the rosary, you know, the deep thoughts, the faux British accent. It's the same thing over and over. She's be so much better if she just retired, and I like Madonna.

BECKEL: Did she -- was she the one with the pointed bra?

TANTAROS: That was her.

GUTFELD: You mean the one just showed.

BECKEL: Is that what it was? I thought she was pretty good looking with that gun (ph).

GUTFELD: Yes, she would, she's still, I think she's --

BECKEL: She hounds up now, man.

GUTFELD: Hounds up?

BECKEL: Yes.

GUTFELD: All right. Hey, Katie. I've never heard that phrase before. When she says that she goes -- she talks about an Arab with a grenade, and she talks about having an afro as almost as the same thing -- I don't understand any of it.

PAVLICH: I don't -- I was really confused about this. I was watching it, not understanding what the whole point was. I mean, if she wants to talk about real revolution, guess she's talking about what happens when you throw grenades.

But the serious fact is that people in China and people in North Korea who are actually being persecuted in the world aren't seeing this video because they're not allowed to.

GUTFELD: Yes. Oh, by the way, that's good.

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BOLLING: I was staying --

GUTFELD: Eric, you're still in shock.

BOLLING: Greg, your monologue, Denny's buffet? They have a buffet?

GUTFELD: Yes, sometimes they do. At least the ones I go to.

BOLLING: I call it a Denny's buffet on ego. Who wants 17 minutes of Madonna?

PAVLICH: Madonna does.

BOLLING: Is there a market for 17 minute videos out there?

GUTFELD: With no music either.

BOLLING: There wasn't music?

GUTFELD: There was no music. It was a non-music video.

PAVLICH: That's genius.

BOLLING: Now that is just ego.

BECKEL: You're right, five minutes, you know, for something pretty fine. But 17 minutes --

TANTAROS: I don't think -- maybe other countries but not here. I mean, I hate to say it, but she's trying to copy Miley and Miley's trying to copy her. The era of Madonna is over. And I love --

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: (INAUDIBLE)

TANTAROS: Bob --

PAVLICH: Wow. All right.

GUTFELD: All righty then.

TANTAROS: What's wrong with you?

GUTFELD: There's an argument that celebrities stop growing mentally the moment they reach stardom and then they just -- everything goes away. I think that's true.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: That's good, because I didn't get into this until I was 40. So, I don't know what that means.

All right. Directly ahead, stop talking, Greg -- cheers and jeers at Yankees Stadium, which I believe is in New York, last night for super star relief pitcher Mariano Rivera as he steps off the mound for the very last time. Highlights from his emotional exit, next on "The Five."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Mariano Rivera, number 42.

(CHEERS)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: That was just what it was like when Eric Bolling walked away from the last game.

That was legendary Yankees relief pitcher Mariano Rivera, taking the mound for his final home game at Yankee Stadium last night. An emotional end to his 19-year baseball -- I can't read very well -- baseball career. After getting the Yankees out of an eighth inning jam against the Tampa Bay Rays, Rivera broke down in tears.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mariano, what are you doing to miss most about this place and this team?

MARIANO RIVERA, YANKEE STAR RELIEF PITCHER: What I'm going to miss is the competition, you know, being, that's OK, I can watch from the house.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: Some consider Rivera the greatest reliever of all time.

Let me ask my baseball expert here. Do you agree with that?

BOLLING: He's the best ever. There will never be another Mariano. Can I just point something out? If you watch the clip on MLB, go to the clip and watch it, we didn't do justice there, it was extremely emotional. Andy Pettitte went out there.

I was crying. I'm in my office. I was bawling like a baby watching that.

GUTFELD: You're Eric bawling.

(LAUGHTER)

BOLLING: Yes, I was Eric bawling. It's emotional. The guy's the best ever.

BECKEL: Tell me just -- like the rest of you, I know you don't really care about Rivera that much. What was his biggest accomplishment? Was he --

BOLLING: Most saves ever. Whatever -- he was so consistent. You knew -- the Yankees were up in the eighth inning by a run or two, you were winning the game. He had so few blown saves, it's just incredible.

BECKEL: You're a Yankee fan, aren't you?

TANTAROS: No, I'm a Phillies fan, but I will say this. I went to a Yankee game once, and (INAUDIBLE) who runs foxnews.com loves Mariano Rivera and he gave his whole history. They play "Enter Sandman" every time they bring him out, because he puts the other team to sleep.

I mean, the history of Rivera is pretty unbelievable. And even if you're not a Yankee or a baseball fan, you have to appreciate the tradition. He gets respect from Boston fans and Phillies fans, and I love tradition. I thought this was very, very cool -- the way they sent him off.

BECKEL: Well, Greg, thank you, by the way, for loaning me your tickets -- your Yankee tickets. I appreciate it. What do you think of Rivera?

GUTFELD: Do you know Mariano Rivera's real name is?

BECKEL: What?

GUTFELD: Mark Rivers. Little Geraldo joke.

Anyway, I commend. I'd say, when I commend him, it's not just for his career, but for his marriage. He's been with the same woman and he doesn't go to strip clubs. He doesn't go to dogfights. He's an old-school athlete who basically keeps his exploits on the field and leads a pretty normal, good life off the field.

BECKEL: Sounds dull. But anyway, go ahead.

PAVLICH: Living the American dream. I don't think it's over for him. I doubt he'll be watching these games from the house. I think he'll be coming back to the stadium and watch a couple of games.

BECKEL: Well, it's -- I've never been a Yankee fan. But I've watched him and he's unbelievable.

And "One More Thing" is up next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing."

Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: Hey, "Red Eye", tomorrow, 11:00 p.m., brand-new show. There's me. I looked better back then. I have Constantine Morales, he used to be of "Rock of Ages", a great show. And Janet Diabela (ph), 11:00 p.m. Eastern, 8:00 West Coast.

And on top of that, you're going to get a banned phrase. That's it. Bob's not even looking.

BECKEL: I'm sorry, Greg.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: I just banned "hounds up."

BECKEL: Oh, you did?

GUTFELD: Yes, I banned hounds up.

BECKEL: Oh, don't do that.

GUTFELD: I'm doing it to prevent you from ever saying it again.

BECKEL: You liked it, I thought.

GUTFELD: I've never heard it before.

TANTAROS: It was very good.

PAVLICH: It was.

TANTAROS: Katie?

PAVLICH: So, "Sesame Street" is in their 44th season. So, Jimmy Fallon got together with the Roots and Big Bird and Elmo and the Cookie Monster into a tiny little dressing room and created one of the happiest moments I think we've ever seen.

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PAVLICH: You're having a bad day? That's how to fix it.

BOLLING: Communists! Communists, all of them!

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Impeach Obama.

BOLLING: Teach your kids all about communism.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: You've got to see Fallon when he's not on a show, when he's prowling the streets of midtown after a few drinks. That's not "Sesame Street".

TANTAROS: Hounds up.

BOLLING: Hounds up.

TANTAROS: Eric?

BOLLING: OK. So, "CASHIN' ON" tomorrow. Tomorrow, we're going to hit on bloated government. We've been called anarcho-capitalist, but I'm not sure about that. Or also, Bob, you might want to tune in. We're going to talk about how Obama is destroying an American industry. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Eric, ever since Obama came into office, there's 138 coal plants have shut down since he's been in office, and even more will shut down within the decade and the reason why it's because of EPA regulations. So, what I don't understand are all of these unemployed coal workers who are trying to feed their families, just supposed to take comfort in the fact that their jobs were killed for regulation that doesn't even work?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BOLLING: We're also going to have the head of state of a European Union country. So, have to tune in.

GUTFELD: Why don't you let Trapper John speak?

(CROSSTALK)

BECKEL: Why don't you just run your whole show --

GUTFELD: I want to hear Trapper John.

TANTAROS: Roberto?

BECKEL: Yes, Eric just taught me how to pronounce this dude's name. There's a thing called Barilla Pasta. I guess you heard about it. I've never heard of it.

But anyway, here's what this brilliant chairman of that company said, quote, "I would never do a commercial with a homosexual family, not for a lack of respect but because we don't agree with them. Ours is a classic family where the woman plays a fundamental role. If gays like our pasta and our advertising, they'll eat our pasta. If they don't, then they'll not eat it and they will not eat another brand."

Very good for you, you homophobic son of a bitch!

TANTAROS: OK. I didn't go yet.

So, imagine being in a relationship and your partner asked you to do something 300 times before they'll propose. Bob, get your mind out of the gutter. That's what happened to Stephanie Smith.

Her boyfriend said if she makes him 300 sandwiches, he'll propose. He said, baby, you're 300 sandwiches away from an engagement ring. Those are some of her sandwiches. She started a blog called "300 sandwiches". She's about 194 sandwiches away from getting that diamond.

Katie, would you ever do that?

PAVLICH: I can't cook. No, I think if you have to make sandwiches to get a ring -- you should do good things for your man, but --

(CROSSTALK)

PAVLICH: I don't think I would do that.

BOLLING: I've got to jump in very quick. We have a full screen up there, Mariano Rivera, 1,173 strikeouts, 652 saves.

TANTAROS: All right. Good fact checker.

PAVLICH: I want a sandwich.

TANTAROS: That's it for us on "The Five." Thanks for watching. Have a great weekend, everyone. We'll see you right back here on Monday.

"Special Report" up next.

BECKEL: Don't eat Barilla.

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