VA scandal outrage: Should Shinseki resign?

Published Thursday, May 22, 2014 / The Five
With Andrea Tantaros , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Katie Pavlich , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 22, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Katie Pavlich and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5: 0 in New York City, and this is "The Five."

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TANTAROS: So, is President Obama really mad as hell about our vets dying while waiting for health care under his watch? Well, here's how he spun the scandal yesterday.

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PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BARACK OBAMA: We all know that it often takes too long for veterans to get the care that they need. That's not a new development. It's been a problem for decades. Caring for our veterans is not an issue that popped up in recent weeks. Some of the problems with respect to how veterans are able to access the benefits that they've earned, that's not a new issue, that's an issue that I was working on when I was running for the United States Senate.

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TANTAROS: A lot of people aren't satisfied with his response, and it's not just Republicans.

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REP. DAVID SCOTT, D-GA.: I was very disappointed with President Obama today. There was no urgency. Mr. President, we need urgency!

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TANTAROS: And the president is still standing by V.A. Secretary Eric Shinseki through all of this, but the calls are growing louder and louder for him to reconsider.

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BILL O'REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: Shinseki could be fired immediately. He's not competent to run a federal agency. He's got to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At one point, the American Legion even stood behind him and defended him, and we've just lost confidence. Secretary Shinseki is nothing more than a distraction.

SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE REP. JOHN BOEHNER, R-OHIO: I've not called for General Shinseki to resign, although I have to admit, I'm getting a little closer.

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TANTAROS: Greg, isn't this a ridiculous exercise to go back and forth over the resignation of cabinet secretaries when vets are dying on waiting lists?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, I -- firing Shinseki or making his resign, it solves almost nothing because what we're talking about is bureaucracy, not medical staff. This is bureaucracy. If there is a wooden table, bureaucracy brings the termites. They bring nothing of help.

So, if there's a secret list that they're using in other facilities, 26 or 27, that suggests a pattern. Then an order was given or shared by bureaucrats. So, it's almost like Benghazi where you say, who pushed the video? In this case is, who pushed the death list? Who decided this was OK?

It is Benghazi in a way times 10, because 40 people died. It's not about the actual medical staff. We have to make that clear. Those guys are just as good as anybody in a private hospital. It is about bureaucracy and the dysfunction that the civil unions and bureaucrats bring to the hospitals.

TANTAROS: And they also had warnings about the V.A. for years and years and years leading up to this. They did it have warnings about lackluster security.

Eric, do you think the reason that President Obama keeps General Shinseki in is because he can run interference, so he can deal with all the incoming. Then, it deflects off the president. When the media decides to stop focusing on this and move along, then he can make some internal H.R. changes?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I think that's exactly what it is. As long as Eric Shinseki is the guy, he's the face of this, just as Kathleen Sebelius was the face of the healthcare.gov. Notice when that thing got fixed, then they moved her out. So, when they fix the V.A., they'll move Shinseki out or he'll be able to step down.

But I would disagree. I would say that in every organization, if -- there has to be accountability, the buck stops here, someone has to take some of the blame. And you go to the stop and you go to as high as it goes.

So, if it stops at Shinseki, like I don't -- I'm not sure it stops in Phoenix, like it may go higher. It may be system-wide. And if it is systemic, it seems like it might be becoming systemic, then I think you go to Shinseki. If Shinseki was telling people that things were going on that were out of his control, then you have to take the next step up and did it get to the White House or not? I'm not really sure.

In the meantime, in the interim, fire him, put someone else in there. And when you do that, you send a signal that works for whoever the new -- the administrators they're not going to play around anymore. They're not going to let you get away with hidden lists that frankly are killing veterans.

TANTAROS: If Shinseki does go, though, Katie, then the pressure seems to dissipate, right? So, with him continuing to stay there, the pressure stays on the V.A., the same way it stayed on HHS, the same way it stayed on the IRS with Lois Lerner there. That's my opinion of it.

KATIE PAVLICH, CO-HOST: Right. Well, another big problem with government bureaucracy is that when you get rid of a person who was in charge of a scandal, it somehow just goes away.

So, with ObamaCare, you know, Kathleen Sebelius went away and guess what we haven't heard about? The problems with ObamaCare. It's not that ObamaCare has been fixed, it's that the person who was in charge of it is gone now, and we're not allowed to ask questions.

That is the danger if Shinseki goes away. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be fired. And the reason Barack Obama won't fire him is because if he fires him, that is an admission that someone in his administration screwed up. And Barack Obama has never admitted that his administration has made mistakes and he's not going to do it now.

And let's not forget that President Obama has never really had a problem with firing generals. He's pretty much purged a lot of the generals in our military on disagreements about the war. But for some reason, he's not willing to step up to the plate and say, you need to go, when -- get this fixed. And only Barack Obama can make the issue of vets dying and turn it into -- during a press conference -- all about what he's done and that is not his fault.

TANTAROS: Bob, yesterday I said that I didn't think this was a scandal. I do think the IRS is a scandal. I think that Benghazi is scandal. This, though, is a failure of government-run health care exposed to the United States of America.

And President Obama is not going to admit that he screwed up because then that would undermine his signature achievement, health care. And he's not going to be vulnerable on what he spent the first four years of his tenure working on.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I said yesterday, it's apple and oranges. By the way, outside of Petraeus, I wonder what generals you're talking about that he's fired. But I -- let's talk about the political fallout of this is. I think that's the more important issue right now from Obama's stand point.

When you talk about the IRS, you're talking Benghazi, I don't think there's a big voting constituency out there for it, frankly. But when you talk about veterans, then you're now hitting homes. So, I think, in some ways, of all the thing that's have gone on here, whether it's IRS or whatever else it is, this one has the potential if it's not dealt with effectively in people's minds, it's not dealt with effectively, it will cost Democrats at the polls.

And that's what's got me worried about it. Of course, I'm worried about the people who didn't get served. But from a purely political standpoint, this is a very dangerous area to be treading.

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BOLLING: And you notice -- I'm sorry, you notice all of a sudden, we had been on this. FOX has been on this since day one, since the scandal broke. And the mainstream media really didn't pay much attention. It wasn't really on the evening news or it was not on the front page of "The Post," it wasn't some of the other left-leaning TV networks weren't covering it. All of a sudden, everyone is on it.

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GUTFELD: CNN was on it first.

BOLLING: They discovered it. They broke it. But they broke it in a local. Not nationally. And they frankly stayed away for a little bit.

Katie, can I just clarify something? I didn't mean to say and I hope I didn't say, that I thought ObamaCare was fixed. I think I said that I thought healthcare.gov get fix and then they let Sebelius walk, and I think the same thing might be happening here.

PAVLICH: That's the bigger issue here, is that even if we wait until the problem is fixed, whatever the problem may be, the fact is that the V.A. can't be fixed because government health care doesn't work.

So, no matter what they do, no matter who they put in there, government bureaucracy controlling the health care system, whether it's the V.A. , which is a small example of what it's going to be like for the entire country.

TANTAROS: Don't you think that's why so many Democrats keep talking about there's a scandal, there's a scandal, they're quick to say it's a scandal because I agree with Bob, it's an election year. Dying veterans are political kryptonite.

Also, these stories are local. So, they're in the local papers and all politics are local.

But if you don't call it a scandal, then you have to look at the policy. Why did this happen? You have to actually look at something else other than maybe just mismanagement. And that means ideology. And they don't want to have that debate.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's -- the issue here is priorities. That we have -- we are as a country had been shifting away from, I guess, protecting and being concerned about the people that we should. It's not about what the government does. It's about what the government encourages others to do.

The message being, to use victimhood to beat the system, to target businesses over unfairness, to view success as a result of inequality. Firing Shinseki allows this mentality to continue, it's not -- I don't think Shinseki knew about this. I don't even think President Obama knew about it.

But the problem is it happened because nobody really cared and it's part of a greater kind of -- I don't know, they just don't care. It's not part -- they're not the victims that this administration is interested in.

BECKEL: There was no bigger supporter of the V.A. than Ronald Reagan.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: He was very strong on it, very strong on the military. I don't think you could find a president anywhere that did not think that the V.A., as it is, as a government-run health care, is the right thing to do. They do think it's the right thing to do. It should be fixed.

But this goes back to Democratic/Republican presidents.

TANTAROS: Well, speaking of Obama's presidency and how this will affect this presidency because the media is focused on it. Greg, you rightly pointed out, CNN broke the story. It's been in the papers. I think "The New York Times" and "The Washington Post" -- or "The Washington Post" has defended the president, but most papers have covered this story.

How is it going to affect his presidency?

And Charles Krauthammer weighed in on this and he talked about how he got elected in the first place.

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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: Cool will get you elected. Cool will get you fawning profiles from upscale New York magazines. But cool will not connect you with the American people when there are allegations that wounded warriors are dying of neglect and corruption. And cool will not get you any management skills in running the U.S. government.

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TANTAROS: So, do you think this scandal hurts him --

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BECKEL: Let's listen more of Krauthammer. We didn't get all that in. We should probably run nor --

TANTAROS: We'll burn you a DVD and you can --

PAVLICH: All the time. What was your question, Andrea? I'm sorry.

TANTAROS: His presidency, going forward. He got elected because he was cool.

PAVLICH: Right, he's the cool guy, a celebrity president.

TANTAROS: So, does something like this sweep all of that aside finally and they start to see whether it's ideology or mismanagement, this president isn't exactly cool.

PAVLICH: And I quite frankly don't think that this president actually really cares, because we've seen this situation happen over and over again. It's the Obama administration playbook. Something happened. They say it was localized. They say it was some rogue agency, rogue employees outside.

Then it trickles up the system and it's more widespread, then it's Barack Obama knew nothing about it. Then, it's -- I'm really mad about this, we're going to get to the bottom of it.

No one gets fired and they run out the clock by asking for things like reports and reviews just like President Obama did yesterday. And we never get to the bottom of it.

And in term of Shinseki, the reason why I think he should go is he was brought in under Barack Obama when he was elected to fix the problem. For five years, the problem hasn't only not been fixed, the wait times have doubled and the backlog has doubled.

BECKEL: Are you suggesting the president of the United States doesn't care about this?

PAVLICH: He didn't get the job done. I don't think he does. No.

BECKEL: That's unbelievable.

TANTAROS: Eric, you could bring in anyone. You could bring in Superman, you can bring in Carrot Top, if he doesn't have the blessing of the commander-in-chief to fundamentally and radically change the agency, how does he do that? What do you expect to come out of this report next week?

BOLLING: Isn't that what you do? You bring -- you put people in these cabinet positions to make sure that it works? And if it doesn't work, you hope that they come back and say, here's what we need to do to fix it.

Look, this is a scandal. I would disagree with you. I think it's only going to get much bigger. I think it's scandal number one because vets have died. I think it's going to be widespread. I think it's going to be systemic.

I think you're going to see as more and more whistle-blowers decide to come forward, you're going to see a lot more people who are dying, a lot more B.S. going on at the V.A.

And scandal number three that hasn't even started yet is we're going to find out where all where all that money is going. And it's certainly not going to health care, to the vets. I mean, we've gone from a $85 billion outlay in 2008, to $154 billion outlay last year, Bob, that is a ton of money is going somewhere. When that starts to bubble up, then heads will probably start to roll.

BECKEL: I've taken it upon myself to do a little study because we can't get it done otherwise, to find out how many horror stories were going on during the Reagan and administration. I'll report next week.

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TANTAROS: Go ahead, Greg.

GUTFELD: You know something awful happens when that happens. The employment of deflection, it's like your house is on fire, and a Democrat will say, yes, but the sun's really hot. It goes back to, now begins the broken record number two, who pushed the secret list to fudge the numbers and make bonuses?

That's the question for this scandal, and it is what I would call a gate.

TANTAROS: When this report comes out --

GUTFELD: A big gate.

TANTAROS: -- he'll push for more money instead of really figuring out a solution like charter hospitals for veterans or something else. And it will disappear.

Next on "The Five," the liberal race baiters are at it again. One Democratic lawmaker thinks that racism is behind the opposition to ObamaCare. Another equates the Benghazi investigation to the times of reconstruction. You've got to hear this one to believe it.

Stick around.

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GUTFELD: Great news for bigots.

A group that published a list of 29 pitfalls of working with white people at a diversity conference received 250 grand from the U.S. Department of Justice. Meaning, we pay for the hate.

Who's next in line? The Black Panthers, Al Sharpton?

They're called the Beyond Diversity Resource Center and apparently, they've found what's beyond diversity, it's division. Remember stoking racial hate is key if it makes money.

One of the pitfalls listed is that white people ask stupid questions. What's that supposed to mean? Oh, wait, I just did it. I guess they're right. I am a stupid white person.

How did I get dressed this morning? What's up with doorknobs? How do you turn them? Such an idiot.

Maybe this is why the V.A. scandal happened. As the country becomes more preoccupied with pigment, priorities of old dissipate into a cloud of strident stupidity, quotas trump quality. It's all part of the new brainwash. If you're white, you're evil by birth.

They also claim that whites, quote, "benefit financially off the backs of people of color." This is true for the white diversity goons who make thousands feeding this toxic drivel to minorities. Maybe that's the white privilege strategy after all.

For every majority obsessed with privilege, that's one less person competing for an actual job. And when you're an incompetent white boob with no talent teaching white privilege, that really helps.

Andrea, this kind of -- it takes a serious issue and it turns it into a joke. I find that offensive and I want it banned. I'm kidding I don't care.

TANTAROS: You can ban it.

I can't -- now, let's just imagine, OK, that this was a white organization putting out a pamphlet that when it talks about white people and I don't know if you have this full screen, Greg, but you stereotype them saying they ask stupid questions, they're on the backs of people. Could you imagine if it were the reverse?

Yet, the Department of Justice instead of going after this type of thing, they encourage it. They use our tax dollars to go after it. But Eric Holder has proven to be the most divisive racial demagogue in the entire administration. He's used phrases like "my people," which again if he were a white attorney general and he had said "my people," he would have been gone within 24 hours.

He has refused to prosecute the Black Panther case. There's a list, there's a laundry list of incidents when the racial divide and the racial discrimination is going the other way, against whites. He is completely MIA.

GUTFELD: Bob, about Andrea's point that like if you did this in reverse and it was about blacks, the argument would be that would matter because the power structure is catered to whites, so you can't compare the two.

BECKEL: Listen, I have a problem with this simply because like often you are guilty of, to say that all people --

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: -- this idea that all white people are stupid who you work for is pretty blanket indictment. I mean, I think you have to be very careful when you say things like that.

GUTFELD: Depends on where you work, Bob.

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BECKEL: Here, for example, our executive producer is down on me, but he's a right winger. But that's all right.

The -- he'll be mad now. But I think the idea of doing something like this does -- unless you can be specific, if you're pointing out specific instances, I think you're opening it up for an indictment of people that don't deserve it.

GUTFELD: This -- one of them Eric is they claim one of the things whites do is they get too friendly too fast.

BOLLING: No, with each other?

Remember that old "Saturday Night Live" skit, Eddie Murphy gets on the bus and pretends to be white and all the white people were having a lot of fun but they never let the black people know.

PAVLICH: What?

BOLLING: But here's what this is -- you got to see it. It's hysterical. Racial divisiveness, what it does -- yes, it does. It makes money. Ask Al Sharpton, ask Jesse Jackson, ask the rest of the race as Bill O'Reilly would call the race merchants.

There's a whole money thing going on there. It keeps them relevant. It keeps them with the donations.

But there's also the other thing, too. It's the voting bloc. It keeps the voting bloc together. You can paint the white guy as the bad guy, then you go ahead and say, but we're not them so let's stick together, make sure they're painted as the bad guy. They're evil. Let's make sure we get our people in office.

Instead of -- forget if he's white or black, do we want this person in office because it's good for me, which is what they should be asking.

GUTFELD: Yes. Katie, I do think there are actual beneficiaries of privilege, but they're liberals.

PAVLICH: Right.

GUTFELD: At least in our business. Except for Bob.

PAVLICH: We call those limousine liberals. Yes.

No, you know, this money that funded these pamphlets and all this other stuff came from the Department of Justice, right, which has been obsessed with supposedly fighting racism. But I think it's important to remind people that Eric Holder has literally been carrying around a race card in his wallet for 30 years with a quote about blackness.

I think that we're to the point where maybe we should remind him that racism goes both ways. It's probably time for him and the people who work under him in the Department of Justice to support things like this to check their own prejudice.

BECKEL: Well, but the fact of the matter is, that prejudice and racism still exist in America in a lot of areas. And it has to be dealt with, it has to be talked about. It hasn't been talked about before.

I think Holder is in a unique position to do that because he's an African- American. And it is about time somebody was willing to say the thing that's other people are not willing to say. That is that the quiet, not Jim Crowe, but the quiet subliminal racism still exists in this country and it's a very serious issue.

TANTAROS: Bob, that's fine if he wants to address racism. But he doesn't address reverse racism or racism against whites or racism against Hispanics. For example, the flash mobs. Did the president or Eric Holder say anything about flash mobs when whites and Jews were being reportedly attacked disproportionately by blacks? Nothing.

But they weigh on every instance when it's a black like Trayvon Martin and they won't touch the instances when whites are discriminated against. There's a long list.

BECKEL: I think it's fair to say that whites have been far less discriminated against in this country.

TANTAROS: It doesn't mean when there's a case you totally ignore it.

BECKEL: Well, it's -- my sympathy for white discrimination by blacks is fairly minimal.

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GUTFELD: All right. We've got to move on. A well-known NBA owner admits to his own bigotry and it's not Donald Sterling. Ouch! Find out who, next.

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BECKEL: Well, the liberal bloc has six minutes today. I'm not sure what we're all going to go. Maybe you want to go to the bathroom or something.

In the meantime, I'm going to say while the NBA tries to force out Clippers owner Donald Sterling over his racist remarks, the owner of the Dallas Mavericks says some candid things to say about his own prejudices.

Here's Mark Cuban's admission in a new video interview.

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MARK CUBAN, DALLAS MAVERICKS OWNER: I mean, we're all prejudiced in one way or the other. If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it's late at night, I'm walking to the other side of the street. If on that side of the street, there's I guy that has tattoos all over his face, white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere, I'm walking back to the other side of the street. And the list goes on of stereotypes that we all live up to and are fearful of.

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BECKEL: I think it's pretty honest statement on his part, Eric. Don't you think that's probably accurate that most people have those prejudices?

BOLLING: I love Cuban. He's a great guy. He speaks his mind. And that may be where he is.

I don't think that represents everyone, no, I don't. I think maybe, you know, 30, 40 years ago that may have been the case, but I think we've come a really, really long way. I think we've -- I will tell you unequivocally, black kid in a hoodie doesn't make me cross the street. I'm nowhere near the size o f Mark Cuban.

BECKEL: How about if it was six of them in black hoodies you up in Harlem in Saturday night?

BOLLING: If there was six of any, you know -- I'm up in Harlem at night?

BECKEL: Yes.

BOLLING: OK. What is this a game we're playing here?

Maybe. I don't know. But I probably would move the other way if there was six -- anyone --

GUTFELD: If they were listening to that crazy hip-hop music. I hate that hip-hop music.

BECKEL: I bet you people cross the street when they see you coming, though.

BECKEL: This is interesting. OK, so Cuban was kind of -- he was -- was he referring to his bigotry or a concern for safety? Because I looked up -- this is a quote from Jesse Jackson: "There's nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

It's more about the idea of gangs, and when a black man is saying that, it's not racist. And so I think Cuban ask referring to that kind of idea, that when you're walking down the street -- that's why you just shouldn't walk. Don't walk.

TANTAROS: Or if you're a millionaire like Mark Cuban you can say it. But if you're Juan Williams and you work at NPR and you say something about being on a plane and seeing somebody in Muslim garb, then you're liable to lose your job.

I think Mark Cuban was being extremely honest with what he said. I don't think he should have used the word "bigoted." I think he should have used the word "prejudiced." And people get the two confused.

So even though we talk about being bigoted when it comes to different races, prejudice means to prejudge. And we all prejudge, whether it's safety or not. So if I'm walking down the street and I see somebody who hasn't showered in a week and who has tattered clothes, I prejudge them as being poor.

GUTFELD: Or Alan Colmes.

TANTAROS: It's just an honest comment. If someone walks down the street, and they're dripping in diamonds and they have a fur coat and they have, you know, a Rolls Royce with them...

BECKEL: Then you hold them up.

TANTAROS: ... I prejudge them as being rich. And so I think all of us are guilty of prejudging everybody. And if we say that we're not, then we're lying.

BECKEL: You prejudge me, don't you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE; No, Bob. Never ever do I prejudge you.

TANTAROS: You're an open book.

PAVLICH: You are. I love your...

BECKEL: What do you think about this? Do you think it was -- he uses the word "prejudiced." I think that's -- I think I agree with Greg here. I think it's very much about safety. But go ahead.

PAVLICH: I thoroughly reject this idea that we all have our prejudices and we're all bigoted in some way. I completely reject that.

TANTAROS: They're different, though.

PAVLICH: Right. They are...

TANTAROS: Bigoted and racist are different than prejudging.

PAVLICH: They are very different. But I'm going to use the example that he gave. If I see a black kid in a hoodie walking down the street late at night and I'm walking down the street, I cross the street because I feel unsafe. Same thing with the tattoos on the guy with the face with the bald head. I feel unsafe, so I'm protecting myself in the name of safety to get away from that person. It's not about being a bigot or being prejudiced. It's about simply putting my safety first.

TANTAROS: But you prejudge that person.

PAVLICH: Right.

TANTAROS: Racist means you don't like black people or you don't like white people or you don't like Hispanic people. Prejudging could be anything. We're all prejudging each other at the table, and it has nothing to do with race...

PAVLICH: We all have to make decisions of judgment.

BOLLING: We have to get this in. The producers are telling us that Mark Cuban just tweeted an apology to the Trayvon Martin family because of his choice of words with the hoodie.

GUTFELD: I didn't even catch that.

PAVLICH: I didn't either.

BECKEL: You know, the other thing, I, for example, am scared to death of little old ladies. I'm not kidding you. I could walk down the street and there could be a bunch of guys with hoodies on, I could walk right through them.

But once when I was working in a funeral parlor, I had to go pick up a body in the psychiatric ward at Bellevue. And this little old lady jumped on my back, and she kept screaming. And so ever since then, I'm scared to death of little old ladies.

GUTFELD: That's ageist. You're ageists.

BECKEL: But I'm aged, so...

BOLLING: If I saw six clowns, like clowns, I would cross the street. Does that make me prejudiced?

BECKEL: Yes. That means you don't like clowns. I knew you -- I knew you were just too stiff from all that corporate stuff.

All right. We're going to turn to another subject, speaking about corporations. And that is the Washington Redskins, my hometown team, is under pressure again to change the name of their team. Some -- over 50- some members of the Senate and the House have written a letter to Dan Snyder, asking him to change the name.

And Harry Reid says that it's now a question of when; it's just a question -- it's not a question of whether; it's a question of when.

Greg, let me start with you. Do you think the Redskins have a right to keep that name?

GUTFELD: You know, if it affects their business, then they should change it. I think it's a terrible name, but you know what? People really upset over this, in my mind, are doing it to signal to others that they care. It's an easy way to be concerned without taking any action.

This is why China and Russia laugh at us. Because as a country we are paralyzed by the politics of pigment. Our kids aren't learning to make anything other than protest signs.

BECKEL: Katie, what did you think?

PAVLICH: I just think that the Senate should be doing other things besides working on this. I mean, the House has passed so many pieces of legislation over to the Senate, and they've all died. And this is what we're focused on.

I mean, this is a private thing. You know, we've been through this a million times. The people that they say are outraged have come out and said, "Actually, we're not that outraged."

I think it's just time for the Senate to move on to more important things.

BECKEL: Eric.

BOLLING: I think this is crazy. I think the -- I'm outraged that senators are weighing in on this. And I think Greg is right. The free market will dictate whether or not the Redskins remain the Redskins. If people stop buying the jerseys because they're ticked off about the name, then you can bet your bottom dollar that Snyder's going to change the name of that team.

GUTFELD: They will buy them if it changes, because then it will be worth something.

BOLLING: That's a great point.

BECKEL: Got to move on with this segment. Go ahead.

TANTAROS: I think this is so not the purpose of government for them to be worrying about this. But isn't the whole goal when you're in Washington, D.C., to look like you're doing something?

And another question I have is, Bob, not if and when they're going to change the name, when are you going to shut off your phone? It's been going off.

BECKEL: That's not my phone.

But let me tell you, I was in Washington. I've been a Washington Redskins fans for a long time. This goes on every year. We hear some part of it. And frankly, unless, as Eric pointed out, unless it starts to hurt the bottom line, I don't think you're going to see change. Maybe you'd like it, but you're not going to see it.

BOLLING: Do you know how many hundreds of colleges have probably a fairly at least an offensive name like that they're going to work on next? Come on. Give it a break.

TANTAROS: As a Greek, I'm offended by the Trojans.

BECKEL: Yes, the Florida Humps.

BOLLING: Florida Humps?

BECKEL: There's a team called the Florida humps.

Who is the greatest singer of all time? we'll tell you just who topped one list and the answer might surprise you. Stay tuned.

GUTFELD: Boo.

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BOLLING: As you know, we take music very seriously here on "The Five." We're all big music lovers with very different taste. So we were wondering what everyone has to say about this one.

ConcertHotels.com just put together a list of the greatest vocalists of all time with the greatest ranges, and the No. 1 spot went to Axl Rose from "Guns N' Roses." Listen, listen. Trust me.

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(MUSIC: "WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE" BY GUNS N' ROSES)

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BOLLING: All right. Wasn't that amazing? This is going to be great. All right. So let's bring it around. We thought we'd poll a survey of " The Fivers" and find out what are...

BECKEL: Is that a male, that guy?

BECKEL: That's Axl, yes.

What's your -- And, let's do it this way. Your top three with your favorite last, and we'll play a little sound of that one.

TANTAROS: I did this based on ability. And I broke it into three categories. So No. 3 is Stevie Nicks for uniqueness. And I love her. No. 2 is Whitney Houston for her range. Also love her.

Now, he is not my favorite, however, No. 1 greatest vocalist of all times based on ability, I believe to being Freddie Mercury, because he is pitch perfect. Now, if you were to say maybe my favorite, I would have said Von Scott, the original lead singer of AC/DC. However, we're just talking ability.

BOLLING: Let's take a listen.

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(MUSIC: QUEEN, "BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY")

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GUTFELD: Bob, it's not.

BOLLING: Let's move on to Bob. Bob, your top three.

BECKEL: I've got a tie for No. 3 between Jimi Hendrix and the Hedwich [SIC] Angry Inch. The -- then my No. 2 is I think one of the greatest country singers of all time, Willie Nelson. And my No. 1 is the only one that could be No. 1. All the rest of these people were fraudulent. There is only one king of rock and roll, and it's Elvis Presley.

(TANTAROS: I knew you were going to say that.

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(MUSIC: ELVIS PRESLEY, "LOVE ME TENDER")

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BECKEL: Man. Man, I've got more times with him than I can possibly imagine.

BOLLING: OK. Let's go to you. Three, two, one.

PAVLICH: Well, I am a huge country music fan, so I chose as my No. 3 Eric Church for his lyrics. My No. 2 is Miranda Lambert, because I feel like she's my sister from another mister. She could be my best friend. And then, of course No. 1 is Reba McIntyre, who will forever be the queen of country. One of the first songs I ever learned to sing as a little kid was her "Fancy." Take a listen now.

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(MUSIC: REBA MCINTYRE'S "FANCY")

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BOLLING: Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: First, obviously, my favorite singer is right here, my mom's sewing machine. She sewed all my pants from first through fourth grade on that showing machine.

All right. For No. 3, the best metal singer is probably Devin Townsend, an amazing singer. If you haven't heard of him, just look him up and find one of his records. He blows your mind. Then John Grant is a great rock singer. Check out the album "Queen of Denmark." Used to be in a band called the Czars. No. 1, this guy used to be the singer of Faith No More, then was also in Mr. Bungle and Lovage. To me, he's the greatest singer that ever existed. It's Mike Patton. Here's him singing in Italian.

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(MUSIC: "DEEP DOWN")

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BOLLING: Very nice.

BECKEL: You did it. I figured I was not going to know one of the three you picked. Never heard of them.

GUTFELD: That's from "Mondo Cane." You should buy that album. It's all Italian pop songs.

BECKEL: Yes, that's what I want to do with the kids.

BOLLING: So -- so I went last, because like Andrea I picked Freddie Mercury as my No. 1. I had Mick Jagger three. I had Robert Plant No. 2. Freddie Mercury No. 1. I love rock. I love the whole genre.

So because I picked the same one, I picked something else and I just went with the man who I think has the best voice in the history of music, of song. Take a listen to Andrea Bocelli. Amazing. Listen.

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(MUSIC: ANDREA BOCELLI, "TIME TO SAY GOODBYE")

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TANTAROS: I've seen him in concert a couple of times. Let me tell you something: He will bring you to tears.

BECKEL: Is he still alive?

BOLLING: He's blind, too, by the way.

All right. You have no idea -- anyway, moving on ahead, graduates get a powerful pep talk from an American hero on how to find the courage to change the world. We'll play some of Admiral William McRaven's inspirational advice, coming up next on "The Five."

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PAVLICH: As the commander of the forces that killed bin Laden, Admiral William McRaven knows a thing or two about courage and changing the world.

And luckily for grads at his alma mater, the admiral shared some of his wisdom from spending 36 years as a Navy SEAL.

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ADMIRAL WILLIAM MCRAVEN, U.S. NAVY: In SEAL training, there's a bell, a brass bell that hangs in the center of the compound for all the students to see. All you have to do to quit, all you have to do to quit is ring the bell.

Ring the bell, and you no longer have to wake up at 5 a.m. Ring the bell and you no longer have to be in the freezing cold swims. Ring the bell and you no longer have to do the runs, the obstacle course, the P.T. And you no longer have to endure the hardships of training. All you have to do to ring the bell to get out.

If you want to change the world don't ever, ever ring the bell.

You are the class of 2014, the class that can affect the lives of 800 million people in the next century. Start each day with a task completed. Find someone to help you through life. Respect everyone. Know that life is not fair and that you will fail often. But if you take some risks, step up when the times are the toughest, face down the bullies, lift up the downtrodden and never, ever give up, if you do these things, the next generation and the generations that follow will live in a world far better than the one we have today.

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PAVLICH: I really recommend that people watch the entire thing, because it was such an amazing speech of -- you -- to be successful, you have to take risks and you have to work really hard. And one of my favorite parts of the speech was when he talked about making your bed every morning. Something as simple as starting the day out making your bed.

GUTFELD: You have to have a bed, though.

PAVLICH: Yes.

GUTFELD: That was a shout-out to Bob.

He's like the double-strength aspirin needed for the hangover you get from a liberal education. If he was on any other campus he would have been kicked out or they would have rejected him. University of Texas, I give them credit for allowing this. It's refreshing, because it's -- it's depressing because it's refreshing.

BECKEL: I'm not so sure he wouldn't go over well at a liberal school. I mean, I'll tell you one thing. William can answer all these problems about people getting kicked off as speakers. I think that speech, just run it for every school there was.

GUTFELD: There you go. Yes.

BECKEL: There's nothing about that that's liberal at all, what he said.

BOLLING: No. But he's wearing a uniform so he probably would never get invited to speak at some of the liberal colleges, well, most of the liberal colleges in the country.

PAVLICH: It wasn't often.

TANTAROS: It would probably would be a surprise to the students hearing this kind of thing, because they're not used to hearing -- let's see -- this one I love. He said start singing when you're up to your neck in mud. And he said you must be your very best in the darkest moment. And I thought, God, that's so hard to do. But if he can do it, I mean, the advice from a...

PAVLICH: One of my favorite parts, too, of his speech was he was talking about examples of how hard it's going to be to get to that success. But if you don't have those situations of challenge and hardship, you're never going to make it to the next level and appreciate where you came from. So it was a really amazing thing to hear.

BECKEL: Great speech.

PAVLICH: It was.

All right. Well, coming up -- and if you want to watch Admiral McRaven's entire commencement speech, please go to our Facebook page at Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC.

"One More Thing" is up next.

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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Eric Bolling.

BOLLING: OK. I'll start it off. I'm hosting "Hannity" tonight. It's a big, big show, 10 p.m. tonight. We have a brand-new V.A. whistle-blower who's going to come on and tell us all that's going on. He still works at the V.A. We have a guy who has proved Gitmo detainees get better health care than our veterans. And Senator Rand Paul is there to kind of tie everything up and explain it all to us. So 10 p.m. tonight, "Hannity."

TANTAROS: Big show. Just how big is that show?

BOLLING: Big.

TANTAROS: Huge.

BOLLING: Massive.

TANTAROS: Greg.

GUTFELD: How you doing there, Bob?

BECKEL: Sorry, man.

GUTFELD: That's all right. You know what it's time for?

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GUTFELD (singing): "Greg's Prom Tips."

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GUTFELD: Now you know, most of the proms are over, but there's next year. So these are a lot of preparatory tips for you.

Make your hair appointment two months in advance, so you know you can get in. Get your brows done early, like a week before. Go to the makeup counter, get your makeup done there. Have your mom watch -- or Mom watch, and then your mom can do it that night, so you don't have to wait for hours at the store, at the makeup counter.

Bob? Bob, you all right?

BECKEL: Yes, I'm all right.

GUTFELD: All right. Last, don't shop for a bargain dress. You've got to get it well-fitted so your boobs don't fall out.

And stick to Converse shoes. It's safer so you don't fall down when you're drunk.

Those are my prom tips for this whole year. And to quote Bob Beckel, "I'm sorry to hear that."

TANTAROS: You also have an amazing voice, Greg.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

TANTAROS: Your pitch on "Greg's Prom Tips" was just...

GUTFELD: Perfect.

TANTAROS: ... divine.

GUTFELD: But I'm not blind.

TANTAROS: Were those tips based on personal experience?

GUTFELD: Yes. I cross-dressed as a young'un.

TANTAROS: OK. This is something that actually reminds me of something Greg Gutfeld would do. And it took place in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. One man got very creative at a restaurant in the middle of one correspondent's live shot. Take a look.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our supporters to say a prayer for Gina Roberson who remains hospitalized for a stress-related illness. Kim says her and Gina will remain friends and work together in this Harrisburg community.

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TANTAROS: Maybe he was thirsty. I don't know, look. What's this taste like? Hmm, yum.

OK. Bob. You all right, Bob? You going to make it?

BECKEL: I'm going to pass. I'm going to pass. Go ahead.

TANTAROS: Bob's going to pass. All righty.

PAVLICH: Well, my "One More Thing" hits close to home. Wanted to give you an update on the Slide Fire, which is burning in Arizona from Sedona up to Flagstaff.

The fire has burned 4,800 acres, 7 1/2 square miles. Still not very much containment, which is not a good thing. But they do have 750 firefighters out there, lots of hot-shot crews.

But it does remind us of the tragic event last year when 19 firefighters who were part of a hot-shot crew were killed. So we wanted to honor their memory and thank everyone out there now who is fighting that fire and protecting my hometown of Flagstaff and all of the homes in the fire's path.

TANTAROS: All right. Good one. Well, since Bob, you I guess aren't going to do one, any honorable mentions for best singer of all time? Greg. Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: I would say me.

BOLLING: Really? Like Billy Idol.

TANTAROS: Billy idol. Ann Wilson. She took us out. OK?

Tweet us your favorites. And don't forget to set your DVR so you never, ever miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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