Is Hillary Clinton's health fair game if she runs in 2016?

Published Wednesday, May 14, 2014 / The Five
With Dana Perino , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Bob Beckel , Eric Bolling , Greg Gutfeld

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 14, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, FOX HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with

Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld is back.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Hillary Clinton is going to face a lot of tough questions if she decides to

run for president. Karl Rove raised one about her health and the left is

on the attack.

Clinton suffered a concussion in 2012 after a fall and she addressed that

incident a few weeks later.


HILLARY CLINTON, FMR. SECRETARY OF STATE: I still have some lingering

effects from falling on my head, and having the blood clot, but the doctors

tell me that that will all recede.


PERINO: Rove wonders if they are health could be an issue for her if she

runs again in 2016.



serious health episode. We don't know what the doctor said about what she

has to be concerned about. We don't know about what -- she's hidden a lot.


PERINO: Democrats including former President Clinton take issue with

Rove's remarks, but Hillary is certainly not the first politician to face

questions about health or age. Look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You already are the oldest president in history. And

some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with

Mr. Mondale.


comments like that, I think, is an example of him losing his bearings.

BARBARA WALTERS, ABC NEWS: There are people who say you couldn't be

president because you are so heavy, what do you say to them?

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: That's ridiculous.

UNIDENTIFIED MAEL: I happen that I think that Jeb Bush isn't going to run.

Not because of any inside information. He's overweight, Joe, and

overweight people tend not to run for president.


PERINO: Bob, is that why you've never run for president?



BOB BECKEL, FOX HOST: The only thing that's kept me away, otherwise I

would have been the President of the United States, no question about it,

despite my own past history.

You know, one of the things about this health thing is nobody runs for

President of the United States who is not put through the grill about what

their health is like. They are going to reproduce all their medical

reports. Every doctor is going to be asked questions. I went through this

with Mondale and he was a perfectly healthy guy. It is -- so those

questions are going to be answered.

Is this a shot across the bow to try to get her not to run? Well, the

problem with that is she's already run. She knows what it's about. If you

hadn't known -- if you didn't know what it was about, maybe you say, OK,

well, I don't want to put my family through this. Well, she's been there,

done that, and I don't think anything like this is going to scare it. If

she doesn't run it, maybe she does have a health problem. But I don't

think she does and I think we'll know.

PERINO: Right and as Brit Hume said yesterday, we have no reason to

believe that she's not totally healthy.

Kimberly, Karl Rove can be the gift that always gives back to the

Democrats. They love to talk about Karl Rove. President Obama used to

talk about him all the time in his campaign literature. So Karl bears some

responsibility for his comments, right, but it's not as if he went out

there and he hadn't been saying it before. This was at a private event,

someone picks it up, it ends up on page six and now we're leading "The Five"

with it.

GUILFOYLE: Well, he make news and he's their favorite villain. They went

and spent a lot of extra money on a special sterling silver frame when they

put his picture up on the wall to say, "What can we get out of Karl today?"

Right? Because they want to be relevant, they want to have something to

say, and they need a good villain. But unfortunately, with him, they've

got somebody who's very smart and has a lot of experience so he's tough for

them to pin down.

PERINO: If the Democrats are talking about Karl Rove, Eric, that means

they are not having to talk about other things, like policies or any sort

of plans for the future.

ERIC BOLLING, FOX HOST: Look, you may or maw not like what Karl did, but

Karl didn't slip in doing what he did. He was very shrewedly and -- look,

he was very political in what he did. He brought up --

PERINO: You think he's the evil genius?

BOLLING: I think he's an evil genius. I love Karl. I think he's --

PERINO: He's the architect.

BOLLING: He's brilliant. Look, he planted a seed, and now the left and

the right are both watering it like crazy and guess what? It's start to go

sprout and you have to ask the question -- is she capable, is she OK? What

was that lens on that left eye glass after her head bump?

I know we're going to run a sound bite. But it really, really is super

important that Karl said something about three months and he got beat up

for saying three months. He said she spent three months in the hospital.

Then it was three days, the left is saying. However, Bill Clinton said

something wild today. He said it wasn't three months, it was six months

before she was better. So Bill took Karl's ball and then ran with it even


PERINO: First and goal?

BECKEL: You're exactly right, though. I do think it was political on

Karl's part. The question is was it much too early?

PERINO: But I also think that Karl didn't like hold a press conference and

put it out there. He was at private event where he was giving a speech.

BECKEL: He was waiting for a occasion to say it.

PERINO: But he says -- but I don't think it's the first time he said it is

the point. Maybe they need to cover Karl a bit more closely.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, keep an eye on him.

PERINO: Let's listen to Howard Fineman on MSNBC and get Greg's take on


Oh, we don't have it. So I'm going to read it. OK, can I read it to you?

GREG GUTFELD, FOX HOST: Yes, please. I love your voice.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, like a bedtime story.

PERINO: No, we were just talking about that. I know everyone hates my


All right. "The whole Republican strategy is to make this all so

distasteful to Hillary that she's going to look at it and say I don't want

to run. It's too dirty, it's too nasty. I think that's vaguely sexist

because I don't think you would say that about any man that you're going to

scare him out of the race because he is not tough enough."

And that was Howard Fineman on MSNBC.

GUTFELD: Well, first off, suggesting that a liberal has brain damage, how

can you tell?

PERINO: There's that.

BECKEL: Now that's funny.

GUTFELD: I had to do that for you, Bob, because I love you. I kid the

libs. But OK. You want to talk about distaste and you want to talk about

sexism, remember that Hillary called Monica Lewinsky loony tunes for

sleeping or fooling around with her husband. That's actually a worse kind

of sexism because you're attacking a woman for doing essentially what you

do. And, by the way, Monica is an expert on distaste -- dis taste awful.


PERINO: Now, you are worse than Bob.

GUTFELD: I gotta tell you. I do not -- I cannot defend Karl Rove on this.

Because I do think you don't make it easier for your opposition.

Republicans do not need an angle to make Hillary look weaker. She has a

track record. But also the Republicans need a candidate. They don't need

an angle. They need a candidate, by comparison, that makes Hillary or

whoever runs, look weak.

You know, people claim that they made Senator McCain look old in order to

beat him, but actually by nominating Obama, by juxtaposition, made John

McCain -- who was a great candidate, a war hero, a coherent funny guy --

make him look old and cranky by juxtaposition. The Republicans need to

start thinking about a candidate and not thinking about calling the other

candidate a victim of brain damage.

GUILFOYLE: Do you have a suggestion?

GUTFELD: Yes, find a candidate.


GUTFELD: By the way, doing something like this makes Hillary Clinton look


BECKEL: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: It makes her look sympathetic to me. I'm sympathetic to her.

BOLLING: To some, perhaps. But I think it also opens up the question --

is she fit? Is she OK? This is the biggest economy on the globe.

And also can we just talk about the hypocrisy for a minute. You outlined

it a little bit in the sound bites, but remember when Michele Bachmann was

running for president? They said, oh, she has headaches and she released

her medical records. Oh, she's not fit to be president. She has

headaches. Who knows what's going to happen.

GUTFELD: That was from the right and left.

BOLLING: Well, OK, fair enough. Remember when Mitt Romney didn't pay --

they throw these nuggets out there. They do this all the time.

GUILFOYLE: But isn't a legitimate -- Eric, isn't it a legitimate question

about someone's health?

BOLLING: I think what Karl did was purposeful and brilliant.

GUILFOYLE: I think Karl --


BECKEL: It's absolutely one thing that every presidential candidate, for

as long as I can remember, has been put through. It's a number one

question: are you healthy enough to run?

PERINO: Well, I will tell you, Karl is brilliant. But I was his

spokesperson for many, many years. I think he gets a little bit too much

credit --

GUILFOYLE: Are you saying you're more brilliant?

PERINO: -- sometimes for being strategic on some of these things.

GUTFELD: This is a wonderful topic for the media because, basically on the

freeway to Hillary's failures, this was an off ramp to talk about how petty

the opposition is, when we could be focusing on Benghazi. When you could

be focusing on every foreign policy blunder in the Middle East. You don't

need to talk about this.

PERINO: Well, let me just say --

GUTFELD: Till later perhaps.

PERINO: It's interesting, they were -- Jay Carney who is now the press

secretary who used to work for "Time" magazine and was a bureau chief there

in the D.C. office, he was shot back at Karl today. I understand why. I

think that was fair.

But interesting -- this was from February 4, 2008, cover story of "Time"

magazine, when he wrote, Carney wrote, about McCain. "He has suffered skin

cancers over the years, not to mention brutal physical torture as a

prisoner of war. His age and health therefore are of legitimate concern to


So to your point, Bob, that it's legit. I'm going to ask Eric because you

brought up something that is a good talking point as we leave here --

before we leave here to the B Block. One of things that Howard Fineman and

others on left have been saying today is that this is all part of a

Republican strategy to make her look weak, that they try to throw things

out there. But remember when Harry Reid suggested on the Senate floor that

Mitt Romney had never paid taxes? And not paid his taxes?

BOLLING: Exactly my last point.

PERINO: So we're tracking --

BOLLING: We are tracking exactly the same. It's common political

practice. Now, Karl is getting a lot of heat because maybe of the timing.

Maybe it's too soon. But if not now, when?


PERINO: We've got one minute left.

GUTFELD: I think you wait. Until that -- the idea of health comes up.

GUILFOYLE: So you are saying it matters.

GUTFELD: It matters.

GUILFOYLE: He makes a good point.

GUTFELD: It matters. In fact, he might be right. If she decides not to

run, Karl Rove could be right all along. It's just that when you have

serious issues and you're building up to a mid term election, why look


BECKEL: Yes, but you're not going to scare her away unless she really does

have health problems.

PERINO: I don't think he said it because of that, with that intention at


BECKEL: But you know what this goes back to? You all are probably too

young to remember this, but there was a guy by the name of Thomas Eagleton


GUTFELD: Of course, electroshock.

BECKEL: Who was picked as George McGovern's running mate, and it was

discovered during the convention that he had electric shock therapy and,

after that, everybody's health was wide open.

PERINO: That's right. Well, I thought that that was a very riveting


BOLLING: Oh, you would.

PERINO: And we are going to get out of there and get you over to Shep

Smith right after this. Make sure to catch Karl Rove. He's on "HANNITY"

tonight at 10: 0 p.m. and then coming up on "The Five," Jon Stewart calls out

Harry Reid for his obsession with Charles and David Koch. Hs hypocrisy is

something to see and it's coming up.

But, first, an update from Shep Smith on the fires in the West.

SMITH: Dana, we're watching homes burn to the ground. Live pictures

coming into us from our station Fox 5 for San Diego. The air droppers are

up, the water droppers are up. They are in this shot as well. And, here,

moments ago we were watching three homes burned to the ground. We believe

that's six structures now that are burning across the San Diego area.

The smokenadoes are going up all over the place because the winds have been

swirling so badly. Reporters are scene. And look at this house, just

behind this reporter from our station KSWB. Home after home in this area,

and that had been the concern all day that these fierce winds coming off

the desert to the sea would cause this, and it has.

Right now, the evacuation order has gone to 15,000 people -- or I should

say 15,000 homes and businesses. Two elementary schools and a middle

school have been evacuated and the fire danger extremely high all across

the San Diego-Carlsbad area. There's one burning along the 5 freeway.

When the news breaks out, we'll break in. "The Five" will be back right

after this commercial message.


BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven, folks. Three alluring

stories, seven action-packed minutes, and one animated host. No Jay-Z, no

Beyonce, no Charles Barkley today.

But we do have rapists, murderers, thieves, Eleanor Clift and Jon Stewart.

First up, 36,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records were released

when the Obama administration directed ICE detention centers to allow these

criminals to simply go free. Just yesterday, President O described these

illegals not as hardened criminals, more like the guy next door, kind of

sort of.


OBAMA: These are folks who are woven into the fabrics of our communities.

Most of them are not making trouble. Most of them are not causing

crimes. We've got to spend (ph) time dealing with somebody who -- who's

not causing any other trouble other than the fact that they were trying to

make a living for their families. That's just not a good use of our



BOLLING: All right, K.G., let's talking about this for a second. We

looked it up, and these -- some of these criminals are just literally let

go free, just go, go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: Right, here's the problem.


BOLLING: Two hundred murders, 400 rapists, 300 kidnappers. Sorry, go.

GUILFOYLE: Murderers, rapists, kidnappers, coming out of the (inaudible)

prosecutors. This is a serious concern. These people were just let go,

like, bye-bye, give them the sort of the Heisman (ph) thing here, like, go

to the side, it's OK. The doors of justice no longer have locks on them.

It is a concern, Bob. You are shaking your head but -- I don't think you

want people like that just free, running around. There's no --

BECKEL: Of course I don't.

GUILFOYLE: Come back in the country, in and out, commit crimes at will?

BECKEL: First of all -- I've been told not to criticize our own show, but

that edit of Barack Obama was one of the most out of context. He was

talking about people who are here who are not criminals, who've got

families here.

But leaving that aside, do you really think somebody sat back and said,

"Let me let a 400 murders go"? No. First of all, if they were convicted

of murder, they should be in jail at some place, right?


GUILFOYLE: My bigger point is the Department of Justice should enforce the

existing laws.

BECKEL: What existing laws? If they murdered somebody, they go to jail.

I mean, it's --

GUILFOYLE: That's not true.

BOLLING: Let me just tell you something, and we asked this question,

whether they're just released freely back onto U.S. soil. These criminal

aliens were released under a variety of conditions. It doesn't say how

many or which ways -- which were to subject to what kind of release.

Completely inaccurate what you just said. They are --

BECKEL: Not inaccurate -- 75 percent of them were released (ph) because of

court orders, number orders. Number two, a lot of them are being

monitored. And three, there's no room for them in a lot of these --

BOLLING: So release murders, rapists and kidnappers.


BECKEL: You really believe that, you gotta be out of your mind.


BECKEL: I mean, I just -- honest to God. I just -- it's incredible to me

that we're actually going with this story. That's all right.

PERINO: I'm going to agree with Bob. Because I think, for as divisive as

the country is on a lot of issues, when it comes to murderers, rapists and

kidnappers, I think we can all find common ground. I don't necessarily

think that was what President Obama was talking about.

However, one of problems that President Obama has had from the beginning is

that he doesn't define the populations well or the problem well; therefore,

when they try to do an immigration bill, it gets so confusing because

you're -- those people, absolutely, they should be in jail and locked up.

Or if we're going to decide that their court orders says that they should

be released, then the other problem is the deportation one, which President

Obama has actually has some good numbers on deportation.

BECKEL: Yes, he does.

PERINO: So I think that there's faults in the administration's approach to

getting comprehensive immigration reform. They bear a lot of that

responsibility, but those particular individuals are not one of them.

BOLLING: Greg, should Obama be held accountable for some of the things

that goes on with these criminals, hardened criminals?

GUTFELD: I think it's our fault, Eric, for using that kind of language,

calling them criminals, criminal immigrants. That seems so harsh (ph). We

need a new phrase like law optional visitors. That way it's not so bad.

And we can deal with them in a better way.

By the way, I do have a solution for this. It's called the catapult.


In 2001, the Supreme Court decision said that if home countries don't want

these criminals back in six months, we got to let them go. That's why you

have a catapult. You take the murderer, you put him in a catapult, you

fire him over the fence and back over, and you go, "You're stuck with this

scumbag, enjoy."

BECKEL: As much as you guys don't -- you particularly don't like Barack

Obama, do you think for a minute that this guy would allow murderers to

walk around on the street?

BOLLING: Bob, I didn't make this up! This was documents that were --

BECKEL: It was requested by the House of Representatives --

BOLLING: And we're not making this up, though; 37,000 criminals, Bob.

GUILFOYLE: These are ICE statistics --


GUILFOYLE: -- that have been turned over from that.

BOLLING: We've got to go. We've got to go. They're telling me this is

the fastest seven, so keep it moving.

Next hot story, last weekend Eleanor Clift went off the rails and said

Ambassador Stevens wasn't -- and she did this -- murdered at Benghazi, that

he died from smoke inhalation. Well, Clift, who during the Clinton

presidency was once nicknamed Eleanor Rodham Clifton, doubled down last

night. The sound bite speaks for itself.


VOICE OF ELEANOR CLIFT, LIBERAL PUNDIT: I was taking issue with the sort

of glib use of the word murdered, and I think, you know, dying of smoke

inhalation in the safe room of a CIA outpost is -- has a slightly different

feeling. And my point is that it was a very chaotic event. I was just

trying to add a little bit of complexity, and I'm going to stick with what

I said.


BOLLING: All right, go ahead.

GUTFELD: We're all such simpletons because we called it murder because it's

so complex when somebody dies from arson. She's an idiot. But this is not

news because she's been around for four decades. She's the beneficiary of

what I call liberal welfare. She spouts this stuff. She still has a job.

Either that, or she has pictures of John McLaughlin naked, because I have

no understand -- I have no idea why she's there. Her priorities over

sensitivity, you imagine if you use that same language on victims of 9/11

or victims of Waco, or anywhere would you say that? Of course you


BOLLING: Why double down on something like this? Why not just --

PERINO: It could be delusional, but also, there's -- she pays no

consequences, right? So what Greg is saying is that there's no

consequences on the left for saying something that crazy because it

actually then makes people on the left not look as crazy as she is.

BECKEL: As opposed to people on the right.

PERINO: Correct. So she's trying to get people more in the middle.

BOLLING: Well, is there any defending, Bob? There's not --

BECKEL: No, I mean, you can't. First of all, if you go -- you're the

prosecutor. If you go light somebody's house on fire and you know they are

in there, and they burn down and they die, it's murder, right?

GUILFOYLE: It's called felony murder. It counts just like if you go up to

somebody with a gun and shoot them. If you commit a felony, and during the

commission of that felony, someone dies, it's felony murder and you are

bye-bye. That's a first degree.

BOLLING: Let's move on to this one.

Finally, we all know that Dirty Harry Reid is obsessed like Bob with

Charles and David Koch. In a rare fair and balanced segment, my pal Jon

Stewart on his "Daily Show" last night -- the comedian took Harry Reid to

task for being the totally yellow-bellied hypocrite of a buffoon that he

is. Behold a thing of beauty.


JON STEWART, HOST, "DAILY SHOW" Sheldon Adelson, arch conservative and

reads Home State, (ph) the owner of Los Vegas Sands Corporation, the

country's single biggest casino company, including the Vegas strip's only

non-union casino, this guys spent millions to fighting to outlaw online

gambling, tens of millions fighting organized labor. In the 2012

presidential election, he gave $90 million to Republican candidates.


SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): Sheldon Adelson, don't pick on him.



STEWART: Wait, what the -- I'm sorry. What did you say there? Don't --

don't pick on the billionaire who puts money in politics, why?


REID: I know Sheldon Adelson. He's not in this for money. He's in it

because he has certain ideological views.




BOLLING: That's kind of what we do every day right here on "The Five."

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, but see how inconsistent he is? I mean, what is he

talking about?

BECKEL: What he's talking about is a guy that has -- is a big Nevada

figure who is a friend of his and who probably has gotten some favors from

him and he's not about to --


BOLLING: What's the difference between (inaudible) does to the Democrats?

And Idolson (ph), obviously, is a big Republican supporter, too. But

what's the difference between Steyer, who's a Democrat supporter and -- and

the Koch brothers? What's the difference?

BECKEL: Well, how do I begin to count the ways? Steyer did not underwrite

virtually every right-wing wacko group in the country as the Koch brothers


BOLLING: That's -- but that's not what Harry Reid says. And by the way,

he -- they don't. But Harry Reid --


BOLLING: -- issue with the Koch brothers is their businesses.


PERINO: I would just say that when the history of this period is written,

when we are long dead and gone, the chapter about the battle over the

billionaires and who could get that billionaire in their corner will not be

a pretty one.

BECKEL: Well, in my case that's going to be that far down the road. So

the history may have to be debated here sooner than later. It's -- it is

billionaires. I mean, billionaires have having a big impact on American


GUILFOYLE: I think billionaires are awesome. I'd like to have a lot of


PERINO: Single ones, in particular.

BOLLING: Harry Reid cutting some billionaires slack and not others.

GUTFELD: I'm just really pleased that finally Jon Stewart has provided us

with some story content. Usually, we provide him with about 90 percent of

his weekly intake.

But you know, the reason why -- we're missing the point here. The reason

why Jon Stewart is going off on that is because Adelson gave a hundred

million to Republicans. If it was -- if it was a liberal billionaire, he

wouldn't care. So he -- he's only doing this because this guy isn't his


And by the way, all politicians have rich friends, and shouting about it is

like shaking your fist at a volcano. It doesn't do any good.

BOLLING: All right, we gotta leave it right there.

Coming up, if you're a college grad looking for a job and having a hard

time finding one, stick around, Dana Perino has some advice that could

change your life. You don't want to miss it.


SMITH: Breaking news now on FOX News Channel. I'm Shepard Smith on the

FOX News deck. Back to ""The Five"" in a moment.

First, our local station in San Diego, KSWB, has been standing by in

Carlsbad, California. This is a cul-de-sac sort of neighborhood on the top

of the hill. The fire has just raced up the hill, and now they are

scrambling. The fire department has come in to try to get this entire

place evacuated.

This is the scene all along the 5 Freeway from Carlsbad into San Diego

itself, at Camp Pendleton. And this is the live look from our local

station. They're on the air at 2: 0 in the afternoon.

This neighborhood, they just told us, is about to go. So the fire

department is kicking the news crews, the residents, everybody out there.

The police have just come in, and the fire department seems to believe

they're not going to be able to save this neighborhood or so many more that

are going up in and around the Carlsbad area.

The evacuation totals are now at 15,000 for the region, and we've been

watching home after home burn. This picture just coming in. I want to

show you one thing before we go back to "The Five."

Look at this fire-nado that we watched here just a few minutes ago on the

FOX News deck. The winds are swirling to such a degree and the heat is so

intense, that these fire-nadoes have been showing up all over the place.

This one at the top of a canyon. As the winds are coming up, 25 to 30

miles an hour, then they create their own wind within the fire and as they

top it out, these fire-nados have been everywhere.

Back to a live picture really quickly. This is the scene as we've been

watching all across the region. Home after home being burned to the

ground. Updates throughout the afternoon. Back to "The Five."

GUTFELD: Because we're all racists, Harvard School of Government will be

offering classes in power and privilege to its new students.

"Privilege" is the new buzz word that describes people who get ahead

because of their race or gender. It's a shorter way of saying "evil white

man," and it's a tool for brainwashing your kids into thinking they're

awful. You see, the beauty of the word "privilege" is you don't have to

have to act racist to be racist. It's already in your blood. It seems

kind of racist, no? Not if you're white.

In absence of God, racism is now the original sin. Simply by being born,

you are bigoted. Your parents, by creating you, perpetrated this racist

act. You weren't a baby, but a Don Sterling in diapers.

So why these courses now? It's simple. To occupy the incompetent. Take a

kid who spends four years schooled in resentment and race warfare. What

does he do now? Teach resentment and race warfare.

Here's a taste from a white privilege conference. Hmm, I wonder if racism

is central to America?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Racism is central to America. White supremacy has

been embedded in the United States of America from its founding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Race is driving almost everything that's happened in

the country.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The longer you are in the Tea Party, the more racist

you become.


GUTFELD: The privilege scam is self-perpetuating work release described as

concern but driven by desperation, for their careers need race hate to

exist. Their only recourse: to drag you down into their muddy pit of whine

and drizzle.

But do not dismiss it. That parents pay charlatans to corrupt their kids

is the hate crime. No wonder our foes laugh at us. The entire movement

must be underwritten by China.

Bob, you were talking about this earlier on another -- on another TV



GUTFELD: Doesn't this idea make a mockery of an actual conversation about

real racism when you just say everybody is bad?

BECKEL: Yes, I do. I think the idea that you're planting a seed here that

says if you're white, you're automatically -- you've got racist tendencies.

But I will say this: there are a lot of kids who are in college today or in

graduate school today who never experienced the civil rights movement,

never experienced the idea of segregation. Many of them had not had

exposure to what happens to minorities in America. And it's a good idea to

do that in a discussion in a history class.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BECKEL: I'm not so sure I would do it in something like this.

GUTFELD: Yes, because it seems to me, Eric, that this isn't history. This

is indoctrination.

BOLLING: The scary part if you read the literature today, thousands and

thousands of teachers and students attended this. It's not like 20 people

in the backroom of Harvard having a little meeting. It's scary. I can't

imagine kids actually listening to this and having teachers teach it to

them. What's the message? To continue the race divide in America?

Doesn't it actually perpetrate racism by doing what they are doing? They

are saying America is -- has racist background? Yes, we know there's

racism but things are getting better.

BOLLING: But I think what Eric's point is, Kimberly, is what if you

suddenly agreed with them? You're right. Power, privilege. What do you

want? What do you want us to do? That's -- they want something -- they

want a form of punishment, I would assume.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that's the problem. See, you're being punished, right,

for a crime that you didn't even commit or think of, and shouldn't be held

responsible for. You're not the perpetrator.

So I'm not quite sure why you have to lead with an assumption that someone

is guilty or, you know, guilty of some kind of malfeasance or wrongdoing.

Where's the evidence or the proof of that? I don't feel that that is

moving forward as a country when you sit there and cast, you know, blame

and dispersions to people that they're bad, they have bad thoughts, or

just for living, breathing, waking up in the morning.

GUTFELD: Dana, doesn't -- isn't -- this isn't meant to help students, is

it? It's meant to help the people that teach it. Because I can't imagine

this helping you in any way shape or form when you get out into the real

world. You feel like a victim or feel like victimizer.

PERINO: Right. In the 1970s in Denver, they did bussing to integrate the

schools, and I was a part of that. And I thought the whole point of the

civil rights movement was so that we could get beyond this.

And I remember President Obama talking about his daughters and how that

whole generation is much more accepting and nondiscriminatory than anybody

in the past.

What they're teaching here, like, can you imagine a university in America

teaching that all Germans today are responsible for what the Nazis did in

World War II? They would never say that.


PERINO: But for some reason this is actually accepted, because as Eric

said, how many thousands of people actually went? And at a Midwest

university they banned the film "The Honor Diaries."..


PERINO: ... because they didn't want to offend Muslims.

BECKEL: I would bet you if you asked most high school or college students

if there's still racism in America, a large percentage of them would say


PERINO: I don't know.

GUTFELD: Maybe -- maybe that might be a good thing.

GUILFOYLE: Why do you apologize for progress? I don't understand.

BECKEL: Because it's not -- in and of itself, it's an untrue statement.

GUTFELD: Well, there's always something bad in the world that exists.

They're always -- as a reduction in crime across the country, there are

still murders.

BECKEL: By the way, I didn't know Germans -- did Germans, did they --

maybe there's something to that, I don't know.

GUTFELD: Oh, you're terrible.

All right, ahead, Justin Bieber is a dope. But is he a thief, as well?


GUTFELD: He's just been accused of attempted robbery at a miniature golf

course. But who hasn't? Am I right? Kimberly has got the latest incident

of Bieber's long rap sheet.

GUILFOYLE: Of course. Yes.


GUILFOYLE: Leave it to Beaver -- I mean Bieber.

Justin Bieber can't seem to stay out of trouble. Now the singer is now

accused of -- Bob.

BOLLING: How old are you?

GUILFOYLE: Stop it -- of attempted robbery in Los Angeles at a mini golf

course and batting cage. Now, a woman claims Bieber took her phone and

screamed at her after she took pictures of him and his entourage, with her

daughter nearby. And employee that says she witnessed the incident tells

TMZ the woman was the instigator, much like Mr. Beckel in this case.

PERINO: I know what you're thinking.

GUTFELD: Bob is laughing at one word.

GUILFOYLE: I know he is.

GUTFELD: It has absolutely no relevance to anything, but he hears it.

He's 7 years old. You're Beavis from "Beavis and Butthead."

GUILFOYLE: Immature. Like...

PERINO: That's why we love him.

GUILFOYLE: Ronan is more mature than Bob, off and on. Seriously.

All right. Who wants this?

GUTFELD: Well, can I a point? Can I just make a point, that right now,

Justin Bieber is a carton of eggs? He has a shelf life, and it's very

important to him to eat every single egg in that before we throw him into

the trash because in two years, he's going to be making money by selling

his blood. Because he's -- teenyboppers have a short shelf life of girls

in love with them. And then the next day, they've got all the posters, and

they move on. He knows that.

GUILFOYLE: He does have nice hair.

PERINO: I think that's true. That happened with Shaun Cassidy.


PERINO: And Leif Garrett.

GUILFOYLE: I had both of their pictures up and Christian Slater...

PERINO: Rick Springfield.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes, and Rick Springfield.

PERINO: One day you just decide to move on.

GUTFELD: It's weird. I saw that with my niece. It's just like she had

them all over her wall. And then you woke up, and you came into her room,

and they were gone. And it was like I think she met a boy.

Perino: I'm over him.


GUILFOYLE: OK, Bolling, what can you do for this block?

BOLLING: The only thing I can add to this segment is, I can't figure how

Justin beeper can still make this much money. My son...

GUTFELD: Teenage girls.

BOLLING: Yes, but the teenage boys cannot stand him.

GUTFELD: Girls spend money.

BOLLING: And they still like -- do teenage girls still like Justin Bieber?

GUILFOYLE: Female bonding (ph) power.

BOLLING: ... when there are other alternatives out there?

GUILFOYLE: What they want...

GUTFELD: One Direction. One Direction will be what Bieber is (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Yes, five Biebers there for the price of one. And then you've

got Miley Cyrus who looks suspiciously like Bieber.

GUTFELD: Bieber. I hate Justin Bieber.

GUILFOYLE: They've never been seen at the same place at the same time,

check me on that, all right. But so this is the situation now that might

be getting walked back a little bit by a woman who says her phone was

taken. This is a developing story, as we like to say.

Go ahead.

BECKEL: Well, I've kept a poster of -- what was her name? "Charlie's


GUILFOYLE: Farrah Fawcett?

BECKEL: I kept my Farrah Fawcett -- still have it -- Farrah Fawcett


PERINO: Is it in your apartment right now?

BECKEL: As a matter of fact, it is.

GUILFOYLE: With the other visitors?

BECKEL: The thing about Bieber is, I couldn't agree with Greg more. The

shelf life. You know, you look at somebody -- as much heat as he got,

Michael Jackson was able to go from a child star up to and until the time

he died, right?

BOLLING: And then after. And after.

BECKEL: And then there are very few examples like that that I can think of

who made it the whole way. And this kid, not only is he not going to make

it the whole way, I don't think he's talented enough to make it, as he is

right now.

GUILFOYLE: And then you wondered about how long he's going to be in this

country, right?

GUTFELD: He has great abs, though.

PERINO: Not really.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, that's a little gross that you would see that.

PERINO: Kind of skinny.

GUTFELD: That's the point.

BECKEL: You think Josh made that hair cut for him.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Maybe.

GUTFELD: He has a second career.

GUILFOYLE: Coming up -- we're done with this. Coming up, is the NFL about

to relax its rules for players who want to smoke pot? Should it? Next on

"The Five."


BECKEL: Welcome to the fastest one minute in television. NFL may be about

to make game-changing alterations to the league's marijuana policy. Under

a new agreement, expected to be finalized soon, the threshold for a

positive pot test would be increased. While the punishment for weed

violations would be decreased.

Eric, what do you think?

BOLLING: You know, I hate this. We do this segment every once in a while,

and I hate it because I believe in allowing athletes to, you know, enhance

their performance, because we can't stop it, stop trying to stop it. You

can't police it.

And I also believe in legalization -- or legalization of pot. But every

time I say something like that, I get beat up.

Last night, everybody got mad at me because I said I thought Magic Johnson

was a classy guy or I knew about Jay-Z and Beyonce. So I mean, you guys

are ticked off at me about everything, so I'm just going to leave it here.

I believe -- let the athletes do what they want.

BECKEL: If it's weed that they used, what they are going to? The end's

going to go out and say, "Hey, man, throw me the ball here." It's not

going to enhance...

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you know what? Is that a good idea?


GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I don't think feel like slowing down the pace of

football. Are you kidding me?

BECKEL: If you smoke a lot of weed you're going to slow it down.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, listen, stop testing for everything is my point. What

is -- if you're not -- so then what about steroids? What about this? I

don't know. I mean, I think it's a little suspect.

BECKEL: Let's move to a resident expert on weed from her home state, Dana

Perino. What do you think?

PERINO: All I got to say is smoke 'em if you got 'em.

GUTFELD: You are a little drug addict, aren't you?

GUILFOYLE: You have a family entrepreneur.

PERINO: Go to Jamie Perino's shop in Denver, 16th Street Mall. I have no

financial contribution.


GUTFELD: You get the free cookies.

PERINO: Just for my cousin.

BECKEL: ... long-time defender of legalizing marijuana.

GUTFELD: I honestly don't know how -- I man, given the strengths of these

drugs, how athletes can actually do this and play. But they do it -- they

do it. I don't know when they do it.

But if you're going to raise the THC threshold with the amount of drug in

your system, you've got to raise the threshold for dumb things you say as



GUTFELD: Because that -- they go hand in hand. When you're high you say

stupid things.

And right now the policing of language, of fining people for saying stupid

things on Twitter...

GUILFOYLE: It's getting to be dangerous.

GUTFELD: ... that's creeping me out more than this. Right you know, right

now pot is basically the new alcohol, and you can't punish people for

wanting to escape life once in a while.

BECKEL: And what about -- what about these teams go and play in Denver or

Seattle? I mean, right? It's legal. I assume people are all going to be

in the stands are all going to be smoking dope when they're -- not all...

GUTFELD: It's going to be maturity of this trend, where it's going to be

just like another thing. It will take about ten years, but it will just be

like martinis.

BECKEL: Could you imagine the kind of -- amount of food they'd have to

plate for professional football players if they were all stoned? It would

be unbelievable.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, since you're back, you

get to go first.

GUTFELD: Oh, yippee-yi-ay.

All right. You know, I give a lot of grief to cats, and I feel bad about

that after I've seen this amazing video. Let's roll this.

See this little kid? He's out playing, enjoying himself in a giant white

egg. And then all of a sudden there's a dog, and the dog says, "I'm going

to crack that egg and beat the crap out of that kid."

Goes over there, comes up from behind, starts attacking the kid. But you

know what happens? You know what happens? The cat comes in!


GUTFELD: The cat comes in, chases the dog away. I've never seen anything

like this in my life. Look at this cat. This is a super cat. This is an

amazing, God-like being.

GUILFOYLE: Whose cat was that?

GUTFELD: It was the kid's cat.


GUTFELD: It was in Bakersfield, by the way, where they grow the kids big.

PERINO: I bet that dog's not going to be around.

GUTFELD: I don't know. But now you know. Cats...

BOLLING: I think that's Photoshopped.

GUTFELD: I like that they had cameras everywhere for that. They had four


BECKEL: Shoot that dog.

GUILFOYLE: Was the little boy OK?

GUTFELD: Yes. The boy had some bites. Good question, Kimberly. He had

some bites, some abrasions.

GUILFOYLE: He knows about dogs. Well, let me tell you something, then

that dog is going to have to get an animal care and control hearing, and

they're going to have a little talk about him.

BECKEL: That dog's going to have to be put to sleep.

PERINO: I get to go next, because I have what I think Bob is going to

think is a great "One More Thing."


PERINO: If you are a college student or just graduated from high school or

college and you cannot find a job in Obama's economy -- ha, kidding --

don't fret; don't just sit there. There are so many opportunities.

Get a loan from your Mom and Dad or from your grandparents and pick any of

the states highlighted on this map, and go volunteer on a campaign. I

don't care if you're Republican, or you're Democrat, or you're bicurious.

Whatever it is.

GUTFELD: Dana -- Dana...

PERINO: Get it? If you're Republican or Democrat or you're not really


GUTFELD: Dana, that's not what bicurious means.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's really not.

GUTFELD: I have a Web site, though.

PERINO: My point is that young people should go work on some of these

campaigns. It's the best opportunity that they'll ever have. They'll

build their network.

BECKEL: I think people who talk about politicians could be helpful to work

on a campaign, too.

GUTFELD: Bob is also bicurious; if he's curious, he'll buy it.

PERINO: That's good. That's a good one.

GUILFOYLE: It's a weird show.

PERINO: Get your grandparents to help pay for your cost of living. Go

work on these campaigns. You won't regret it.

BECKEL: Excellent idea.

PERINO: OK. Kimberly's next.

GUILFOYLE: Falling apart.

I want to talk about a case that was very significant that we covered in

the news. Remember Amanda Berry and Michelle Knight and Gina DeJesus? And

do you remember the hero from Cleveland?

Well, that man, Charles Ramsey, has a new book out called "Dead Giveaway."

Came out on May 1. There he is right there. He's the one that freed

Amanda Berry, which then led to the release of Michelle and Gina.

And in his book he talks about what happened on that afternoon, and he also

-- I don't know if it's a little tidbit but was given 2,000 free hamburgers

when this happened, because of the whole McDonald's situation. And he give

them to the homeless. This is a good guy. You might want to check out his

book. It's supposed to be pretty good. And I think it's, you know, a nice


And he sees Michelle Knight a few nights a week. He said she's doing very


PERINO: It will probably do well.

OK, Eric, you're next.

BOLLING: All right. One of my favorite "One More Things" in a long time.

Check out Martin Molar (ph) from CBS who tracks these type of things in

this tweet. He says President Obama is now boarding his 1,000th -- 1,000th

flight on Air Force One.

So I did a little math on that one. Bobby, take notes. President Obama,

1,000 flights. Average flight, 22 hours; 2,000 hours, $228,000 per hour

and that's from the -- that's from the military. They tell us that's how

much it costs to operate Air Force One.

And guess what that comes out to, taxpayer dollars: $456,576,000 taxpayer

dollars. Half a billion dollars.

BECKEL: Is that right there? Gee, I don't know that Obama's plane costs

any more than anybody else's plane who's president.

BOLLING: Oh, yes, he has taken more flights than anybody has at this


BECKEL: Oh, yes? That's fine. A lot of golf. That what you saying?

PERINO: All right, Bob, your turn.

BECKEL: When I was a much younger man and most of these people weren't

born, there was a killer, a serial killer, which is my hobby, by the way.

Who was...

PERINO: Studying.

GUILFOYLE: Studying.

BECKEL: ... in San Francisco. His name was the Zodiac Killer. He was

never caught. He was responsible for killing at least six people, claimed

to have killed 37, and now his -- supposedly his son has written a book,

who claims that he is the son of the Zodiac Killer. Now you'll see -- put

that back up...

GUILFOYLE: Do you believe this?

BECKEL: ... for a second. That was a sketch of -- are we almost out of



PERINO: Check out the sketch, because Bob has a good point. "Special

Report" is next. DVR us and stuff. Bye.

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