Special election has Democrats worried about midterms

Published Wednesday, March 12, 2014 / The Five
With Dana Perino , Kimberly Guilfoyle , Eric Bolling , Greg Gutfeld , Bob Beckel

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 12, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

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PERINO: A big special election victory for a Republican in Florida could be a sign of what's to come for Democrats nationwide in November. David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink last night, holding on to seat formerly held by late GOP Congressman Bill Young. The contest in the 13th swing district was largely seen as a critical test for ObamaCare.

Jolly campaigned hard against it and he agrees.

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REP.-ELECT DAVID JOLLY, R-FLA.: I think it gives Democrats reason to worry going into November. Voters last night decided they want to keep a check on President Obama. This president has put on the American people a change in the role of government in our individual lives and people rejected that last night. I think people are going to reject it across the country.

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PERINO: The congressman-elect also has some advice for Republicans on how to continue to win races in 2014.

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JOLLY: We cannot simply be a party of no. It is not good enough simply to say no to ObamaCare. One of the things we talked about on the campaign trail were specific solutions to health care coverage issues. We often don't hear about that in 30-second ads, but I think substance matters in candidates.

People deserve answers. Voters deserve answers. They deserve solutions.

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PERINO: OK, let me tell you how this is going to go on "The Five," in the A-block, the four of us are going to make our comments and Bob is going to tell us why everybody is wrong, OK?

So, let's start with Eric. Your thoughts on last night. Do you think we can -- anything predictive about the result last night going forward?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So, all the Democrats were saying it's a one- off and all the Republicans are saying it's a bellwether look for this going to 2014. I think it is. I think it's going to be a thing -- a sign of things to come because we hear of them saying you've got to stay on ObamaCare. And that race was all about ObamaCare.

The Democrat refused to push back on ObamaCare. She said they need to fix it, and the Republicans say we need to repeal it. So if this isn't a good referendum of what every single Republican should do in 2014 elections, you need to use that, take it as a file, read it and go ahead and do it.

Think about this. That man is 41 years old. He's recently divorced. He's parading around central Florida with a 26-year-old girlfriend. He's wearing a pinstriped suit. He's not exactly the kind of Republican you want to go.

I love that guy. I want to get behind that guy. Yet he won and he won with a libertarian taking 5 percent of the vote away from him. So --

PERINO: That description. That description, Bob might actually like him, I would imagine.

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KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: It sounds like your kind of guy.

PERINO: Kimberly, let me ask you, after last night, do you think that the Republicans were a little bit, maybe, getting too confident about what 2014 could look like, or do they have reason to feel good about themselves?

GUILFOYLE: I think they could use a self-esteem boost. I hope this provided it. I think it is a significant victory, especially if the president's numbers continue to drop and he still has the problem with ObamaCare and for the reasons that Eric said. I mean, I think that's why it's significant, too, because this is nobody who wasn't necessarily a poster boy, like candidate to go forward, and he still was able to deliver the votes and have a victory.

That's why it matters I think even more so to the Democrats, because they know they're up against it and it's going to be hard for them to hold on to all those seats. And I'm sure they're going to lose quite a few more.

PERINO: In midterm elections, presidents and White Houses always try to say that the election is not about the president. But given Obama's situation right now with sinking poll numbers, Greg, do you think Obama had a lot to do with the Democrats' loss last night?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Perhaps, but if you think that the ObamaCare fallout surprised President Obama, then you don't know him. He knew this would happen. He believed -- he accepted this as part of the deal in changing society.

A demolition man does not sob when the building falls. He rejoices. So, he accepted this.

I have to say that I did -- I Googled headlines this morning and I Googled "Jolly Sinks Sink," and it came up like 75,000 times. It shows you how unoriginal headline writers are. But I'm glad you didn't say Jolly sinks --

PERINO: I had some good ones this morning, but I resisted all my puns.

GUTFELD: One more thing, when he said he -- the Republican Party shouldn't be the party of no, of course they should be the party of no. They should be saying no to everything. They said no to ObamaCare.

I hate saying yes. Like I said before, we should run robots.

PERINO: I always like Republicans to use -- Republicans like, you're guaranteed headlines as a Republican if you criticize the Republican Party. I'm tired of it.

OK. Bob, let me ask you this, Alex Sink was the Democrat, an accomplished woman. She ran for governor. She did not win, but she did win that district in 2010.

She was, by all accounts, I think, a great candidate for them. She was well-funded, well-organized, much more so than the Republican. And yet, they still loss, even with a libertarian candidate taking 5 percent of the votes.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Let me try to correct a lot of this. Let me first concede, I do think ObamaCare obviously had some impact on the race. There's no question about that. When you spend $12 million on a race, and other millions of dollars more from outside groups, all directed at ObamaCare, it's bound to have an impact.

But here's the good news --

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GUTFELD: They were outspent.

BOLLING: Can you clarify that?

BECKEL: What?

BOLLING: That was $12 million total and that was the full amount, $12 million. There's only $2 million, I think, from within the candidates, and the other $9 million or $10 million --

BECKEL: You know, I don't interrupt you when you talk about energy. Please? You're in my wheelhouse, buddy.

BOLLING: Am I wrong?

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GUILFOYLE: You're in his money wheelhouse. Let me tell you.

BECKEL: This district -- well, first of all, nobody is going to spend that kind of money when it comes to the general election this year. But this district has been in Republican hands for 50 years. Obama did win it by a few percentage points.

So, let's keep this in mind, the total turnout was 170,000 voters. In 2012, it was 330,000. About half the number turned out.

So, I think it probably did stir up the Republican base. I think the Republicans can take some satisfaction on it. But the idea of trying to take this race and extrapolate it out to across the country. And if it was all about ObamaCare, then you're in trouble with your strategy because it was a very close race.

BOLLING: Can I add something also? As Dana points out, Alex Sink was their Democrat -- they love this candidate. They really thought -- am I wrong?

BECKEL: Everybody loves --

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BOLLING: No, no, no, the Democrats really thought this was one that they were going to put on, they were going to take an R, make a D on it in a Florida seat. They thought they were getting it. They love this candidate and she lost. And she lost fairly handily.

BECKEL: She lost in a marginally Republican seat, in a special election with turnout way below what it will be in the fall.

PERINO: I think the fact that President Obama won that district twice, and then she won it, I think, now that they had some backsliding means that district might be in play.

Let's take a listen to what John Boehner, speaker of the House, had to say, and then, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the head of the DNC.

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: A big win last night in Florida. And I would attribute the win to the fact that our candidate was focused on the issues that were most important to the people in Florida 13th. That's the economy and jobs.

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PERINO: OK. So, that's a Republican messaging.

Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she is head of the DNC. She said, "Republican special interest groups poured in millions to hold on to a Republican congressional district that they have comfortably held for nearly 60 years."

I bet they had two statements prepared last night, Kimberly, and that was the one that she didn't want to have to use.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely, because -- to be honest, they really put forward a very strong, credible candidate. This was a race they should have won, and I think they didn't because of the president, because of the problems with the administration, and because of ObamaCare.

Is it insurmountable? Can they still turnaround? Perhaps.

But let me tell you something -- the Democrats wanted to come forward today with strength and confidence and say, listen, dismiss the naysayers. Our party is strong. We're unified. We're not vulnerable to the Republicans.

And that is not what happened.

Anyone that woke up and said it wasn't a big deal or doesn't matter is not being honest to the fact.

BECKEL: I woke this morning and said that it happened exactly I thought it was going to happen. The Republicans are going to win. And if you think about it, he ran -- this race was held at the height of the negative publicity about ObamaCare.

They spent all this money. You're not -- you can't spend that kind of money in all of these congressional districts around the country.

I agree, and Sink was a good candidate. Jolly seemed to be an OK candidate. What do you say, 26-year-old girlfriend? Probably should have been a little younger and probably should have smoked dope when --

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BOLLING: Can I ask you this, Bob, before it gets derailed?

You said don't mess with me with energy and oil. I'm not messing with you with politics.

All right. You're handling another Democrat congressman in 2014 in the midterm election. You see what goes on there. You're not going to change your message? You're not going to push far away from ObamaCare?

GUILFOYLE: You can't ignore it.

BECKEL: When you win a special election, lose a special election by a point and a half in a district that has been Republican, I would say that - - you know what I say? Yes, we're going to have to structure ourselves to be careful about ObamaCare, but it's not nearly the big issue that people talk about.

BOLLING: Wow.

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GUILFOYLE: -- more money to help her win.

PERINO: Let me ask Greg something about -- I think one thing a race like this can do for Republicans, six months out from the midterm election is momentum and fund-raising, and attracting good candidates. One of the things you have said is that the Republican Party has to figure out a way to get better candidates to want to run.

Do you think with some of the candidates they have now, that they're listening to you?

GUTFELD: Maybe. I don't know.

But can I just point out that if ObamaCare --

GUILFOYLE: That was a good question.

PERINO: I like a good question --

GUTFELD: It was, but if ObamaCare isn't harmful to elections, why did they delay the implementation of it until after the election? Was it to play hard to get, Bob, so people would like it more?

BECKEL: I said it did have a marginal impact.

GUTFELD: But now, I want to agree with Bob on something. The key to losing a war is exaggerating a battle win. We saw this before, up to the Obama -- the 2012 election. There was a lot of people really cocky over Romney. That cockiness led to defeat. So, making a huge deal out of this is every bit as big a mistake as dismissing it.

I also want to say, the big victory in all of this isn't the right or the left. It's our adversaries because basically, they have taken advantage of a White House that has become obsessed with the progressive dream. Thanks to ObamaCare, President Obama has taken his eye off the ball, and that ball is our globe.

BOLLING: Can I just push back a little bit? The thing with the elections, now, you're coming up for election in November. And you got to start running some ads, you have to run on something.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BOLLING: Recommendation: I would stay away from libido. I would stay away from contraceptives. I would even stay away from the national debt because young people don't want to hear about that right now. They want to hear about how the government is about to saddle you with something you don't really need or can afford.

BECKEL: You want to run an entire party election on one issue?

BOLLING: Right after.

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GUTFELD: It's the principle. It's the principle of individual liberty and the expansion of government, and the expansion of government is based on punishing the individual. It's a very simple and stark choice. They need a messenger to make the message clear.

GUILFOYLE: And it's a good example of it.

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BECKEL: Would you ever say anything about Medicare and Social Security?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: You would? OK, fine. I'm glad you admitted that. I'm glad you admitted it.

GUTFELD: This is -- this is an encroachment over an industry and it's hurting people. The problem is, what we see as a massive failure, the media sees as a victory. That's why the candidate has to speak over the media in order to win.

BECKEL: What you just said is something Republicans --

GUTFELD: You're trying to trick me --

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GUTFELD: I'm talking about entitlements.

BECKEL: You're being honest, and Republicans will not talk about this, but they have the same feeling about Medicare and Social Security.

GUTFELD: But they don't have to. All they have -- ObamaCare is good enough.

GUILFOYLE: But this is a winnable issue for the Republicans.

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GUILFOYLE: Hold on, stand by, because they have actually -- there has been time enough now for this to sort of, you know, resonate with everybody, for people to understand, for us to see a little bit of the impact of it. So, it's an issue they can keep in their head when they go to the voting box and say, do I want more of these guys -- government bloat, too many entitlements, regulations, taxes, all of this, and now trying to take over something that should be in the private care system.

BECKEL: With all that put in mind, this should have been a 60-40 election if ObamaCare is that big an issue.

PERINO: I do think because Obama won the last two times in that district and that Alex Sink, the Democrat, won in 2010 when she ran, I think that the RNC finally, through new efforts, is catching up to the Democrats on the most important issue, which is turnout. Get out the vote, find those voters, and make sure they get to the polls and that's what would help them win.

OK. Next, frustrated relatives of passengers onboard that missing Malaysian jet want answers and airline officials felt their fury at one of the latest briefings.

And later, a surprising new developments on that teenager who's suing her parents to pay for her college tuition. All that and much more ahead on "The Five."

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GUILFOYLE: It's been nearly five days since the Boeing 777 with 239 people onboard vanished in Asia. Families rightfully want answers and they're growing more and more frustrated by the minute because they're not getting them.

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GUILFOYLE: Well, that's what happened at one of the latest briefings. Relatives threw water bottles at airline employees.

Now, officials in Malaysia don't seem to even know where to look for the plane, but the country's transport minister is deflecting the criticism.

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REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) they don't seem to know what you have seen on the radar, and it's taken you until now, five days later.

HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN, MALAYSIAN TRANSPORT MINISTER: I think that's not true.

REPORTER: (INAUDIBLE) confusion.

HUSSEIN: I don't think so. I think it's far from it. It's only confusion if you want it to be seen as confusion.

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GUILFOYLE: So many questions, and very little answers. You know, a lot of speculation. We do know this, just in from the BBC, that the Chinese satellite was able to capture for debris that could potentially be wreckage from the plane. We're getting on top of that, Eric.

But right now, the families are very frustrated. They're emotional. They're upset.

BOLLING: Can I just point something out? You said it properly, that potentially could be. Remember, there's a helicopter pilot a couple of days ago who thought he saw an airplane door floating in the water. Turns out it wasn't.

Then, there was the situation where the Malaysian military said they had a flight path. There was a hard left turn and they had proof of it. Well, today, they came out and said, well, we're not so sure about the left turn, it might have been a right turn. We're not even sure about the turn.

Very frustrating for us to try and talk about what's going on. Even more frustrating, probably heartbreaking for the family members who are waiting to find out what really happened. This plane is going to be found somewhere, but all this misinformation, it's kind of disgusting. This definitely never happened in America.

GUILFOYLE: Well, you would think, though, in terms of an international community coming together, trying to pool resources to find answers or rule out some possible scenarios, Dana, of what might have happened, we have been getting little bits of information here and there, but nothing pointing to one clear or plausible theory or conclusion.

PERINO: Right, and I think the Malaysians have obviously exposed some weaknesses in their own reporting systems or however they organize their air traffic control and their military communication. And that is frustrating.

But I also think that you have seen an amazing level of cooperation and part of that is because of the United States' leadership in sending some of our military there in order to help. It is in our interest to find out what happened, if it was an accident, good to know. If it's terrorism, better to know so that we can try to fill in these gaps that the Malaysians have basically showed up still exists in our report structure.

GUILFOYLE: And breaches of security as well. Whether there were certain things that were checked as carefully as they should have been.

BECKEL: Let me say, it is impossible to try to guess where this is. One thing beginning to wear on me is that terrorism, which I thought was probably a prime suspect, it's highly unusual for terrorists to do an act like this and not take credit for it because the whole idea of terrorism is to promote terror.

And so, the fact that nobody has come forward with this thing after five days makes me a little suspicious whether it was an organized terrorist attack. I mean, it may have been, it doesn't follow a normal pattern of terrorism.

BOLLING: Would we hear yet, though? They could possibly be taking credit for it and no one is actually telling us they are.

BECKEL: Usually, if you look at these things, usually, they come out right away and somebody takes credit for it. So, that's the only thing I'm hanging that on.

GUILFOYLE: But then they also look to verify that, to see if there's actually some credibility with it, because there's also, in the interest of promoting terrorism, they like us to feel vulnerable and less safe and secure in our airlines and transportation systems. So, before they even release something like that, they have to check if there's a nexus or connection.

BECKEL: Well, but all it takes is some terrorist group to say we did it. And that's going to scare the hell out of people.

GUILFOYLE: It will scare people, but I think they have an obligation not to release some information like that on just heresy, without some forensic evidence behind it.

I understand we haven't seen it yet. That is one of the factors that could point against terrorism, but again too soon to tell.

Greg?

GUTFELD: Yes, I mean, I said it before. The less we know, the more we blow. We're grappling with an absurdity here in this age of surveillance. A large object disappearing like somehow David Copperfield did it.

And I think the best thing that anybody could do, which is nice, is to look at the audience and say, we don't know.

GUILFOYLE: Is that actually the most unsettling aspect now that it's five days out, that there really isn't any direction that they're pointing in? I mean, right away, people think, maybe the plane malfunctions -- I'm like, oh, gosh, I hope it's not terrorism. We still don't know. And what about remnants, or wreckage. We need some forensic evidence.

BECKEL: And what we can talk about is making -- insuring that this doesn't happen again, and how would you do that? Forget the black boxes. You need to find out actually what happened onboard. But there are ways to equip the planes with constant satellite access, but it's very expensive.

So, the question is do you have an international FAA that requires all flights to have the satellite hook up, link-up. Very expensive, if you do that, Dana, people like us who like smaller governments, and government not -- less intrusive governments, and, Greg, maybe you say, maybe you leave it up to the individual airlines.

But in this case, I don't know, maybe you do require something.

PERINO: I think there's -- this is an opportunity for improved cooperation, and there's lots of existing ways to do that through either the U.N., and I'm not suggesting one world government, but there is civilian aircraft and corporate aircraft communication that could be improved after this.

BECKEL: You know, one thing Greg said that's exactly right, we don't know. If we don't know, then we couldn't have the segment, right?

GUILFOYLE: No, but that's what they're saying --

BECKEL: If we said we don't know, but there's one other thing, you said it wouldn't happen in America. Remember the TWA Flight 800 off of Long Island.

BOLLING: I do.

BECKEL: They still do not have all the answers to that.

BOLLING: No, but they knew immediately. The ocean was on fire, immediately. It burned for five hours.

BECKEL: For months, there was questions about whether it was a missile that was fired at.

BOLLING: There's still questions about that, but they found the plane. That's the issue here.

BECKEL: OK. This plane is going to be found, as you pointed out. You can't take something this big and make this disappear. They'll find it.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's a couple of things that they do have to go on. Some good threads, which is they have to check the two Iranians to see whether or not they had direct ties to terrorism. They've really got to fully explore that to see if they can rule that out, because that's something that at least was of a suspicious nature.

And the last thing is from a communications perspective. You have 9/11, we were used to hearing communication from the cockpit or even right from passengers themselves. They said at this point, the authorities have no idea the last direction of the missing plane and the last recorded words of the pilot that hinted danger, which was saying out, "We have to hand you over to Ho Chi Minh City," the pilot responded, "All right and good night." And that's it.

Next, a big development out of New Jersey, where a teenager was suing her parents to pay for her education, when she wasn't following their rules. You're going to be surprised to hear this one. That's ahead on THE FIVE.

Stay with us.

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BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody.

The fastest seven -- three captivating stories, seven cursory minutes, one cogent host.

The entitled, the excitable, and the inexplicable.

Remember the teen, a New Jersey teen, who is suing her parents for college and living expenses. Rachel Canning has come home, reunited with mom and dad.

Here's the family attorney.

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ANGELO SARNO, CANNING FAMILY ATTORNEY: On behalf of the Canning family, Rachel is back home. Everyone should be happy today. This is a happy situation. This is a case that should have never been. There are some cases that don't deserve to see the inside of a courtroom. This was one of them.

I'll repeat myself. At the end of the day, nothing good could come from this case. Parents need to act like parents, kids need to listen to their parents, and they need to decide things as they happen. It's fluid.

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BOLLING: K.G., have anything to do with her losing completely in the courtroom?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, right. She's like, now what? So, she went back home. And yes, hopefully, she's going to show respect for her parents, something they can learn to talk better. You know, together as a family, resolve their issues so it doesn't get to a point like this again. And maybe go to counseling, honestly, so that they can learn better to resolve conflict, and she's obviously had resentment issues towards them and maybe they could talk about the ways to parent together.

I mean, I hope there's something very good that comes out of this, and parents are breathing a collective sigh of relief, like we're not going to get sued by our kids and they're not going to win.

BECKEL: Well, first of all, she went -- lived with her boyfriend who was probably a dog and she decided to move out because she couldn't stand the guy.

But why they let her back in, it's easy. I would have changed the locks and built a tent and have her sleep out back. I mean, this is one of the most ungrateful little --

BOLLING: Come on, softy.

PERINO: I don't believe it.

GUILFOYLE: I don't believe it. You would take her back.

BOLLING: When your daughter comes knocking on your door, you are opening that door.

BECKEL: If my daughter had ran off and sued me -- particularly my daughter's boyfriend --

BOLLING: All right, don't get in trouble. Don't get you in trouble.

Dana, you point something out very important out there.

PERINO: I think this is a great outcome. What I really like is that the family lawyer also said that as a family, they have decided they will no longer be speaking to the media about their personal family issues, which I think is a great decision.

BECKEL: The question is, will they be speaking to each other?

PERINO: I hope so. Family movie night, maybe.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD: This is a lesson to everyone that having kids is Russian roulette. And your only potential positive is that they might grow up normal and leave you alone, but there's an overwhelming chance and possibility that they will give you and offer you a lifetime of embarrassment and humiliation.

That's why you don't have kids, because they'll ruin your life.

GUILFOYLE: See how kid-friendly he is. Oh my God.

BECKEL: The other thing is, that they move back in with you now. It used to be when you left, you left. When I left, they just locked the door and said goodbye.

PERINO: And whose fault is that?

BECKEL: Huh?

PERINO: Whose fault is that?

BOLLING: Isn't it part of being a parent, Bob?

GUTFELD: By the way, her parents lie.

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GUILFOYLE: It's terrible.

BOLLING: Here's the deal -- she got mad. She wanted to live with the guy that the dad didn't like. She moved on. You know what? It's OK.

BECKEL: She took them to court.

PERINO: Here's the thing, she's 18.

GUILFOYLE: That's not OK.

PERINO: You know who we haven't talked about enough, Kimberly, is the lawyer who helped her bring the lawsuit. That is the person that should be targeted.

GUILFOYLE: That's why I was never that kind of lawyer. I was on the right side of the law, just for justice. A prosecutor. OK?

Yes, I would never bring a case of someone suing their parents, unless it's a case of abuse or neglect.

BECKEL: All right. You know, we're going to take this next topic. We might be getting some breaking news in a couple of minutes here, when we can.

Rick Perry, this happened last night on Jimmy Kimmel. Watch.

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JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN: Snoop Dogg was here last night and he was in the same room.

GOV. RICK PERRY (R), TEXAS: I know. I could smell it.

KIMMEL: You could smell it. Yes.

(LAUGHTER)

KIMMEL: I was worried about it.

PERRY: Yes.

KIMMEL: He actually covered the smoke detector in the dressing room to avoid prosecution. But I have to say, he will be pleased to know that in January, you said you might possibly favor decriminalizing marijuana in your state.

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KIMMEL: Is that true? You're thinking about that?

PERRY: What we did is we -- for over a decade, we've lowered the penalties. I mean, we're trying to be smart about it. You don't want to ruin a kid's life for having a joint.

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BOLLING: Texas getting it's itty-bitty libertarian on. Good for you, gov. But why stop there? Decriminalize the stuff. Giddy up, sir.

And, Greg, you're on board with that, huh?

GUTFELD: Yes, but I don't really care about the issue. The ability to be persuasively correct is more important than being correct, that's my point.

GUILFOYLE: OK, but that was --

BOLLING: But did you hear what he said, though? He said, you know, we pushed back -- now, guys, tell me now.

GUTFELD: That's why I didn't say anything, I assume.

BOLLING: Kimberly, he said we haven't decriminalized it. We're just kind of making the sentences lighter.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, that's a bit of a compromise, right? So, as a prosecutor, I would say there's crimes like simple possession, or someone who is not a dealer or selling, you know, narcotics, who should be treated differently. Perhaps there is room for improvement in sentencing, but as you know, I'm not for decriminalization of marijuana.

BECKEL: He gave -- more important story besides his dope smoking issue is that he dropped hints he was going to run again in 2016. I hope he does because he -- I predict it right now. I predict he runs and I predict he crashes and burns, and, by the way, I wish he knew that we have a lot of his right-wing residents right here with us on this --

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BOLLING: Thank you very much.

GUILFOYLE: He's a very nice man.

BECKEL: Who?

GUILFOYLE: Perry. He is.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on Rick Perry pushing back (ph) on decriminalization of weed.

PERINO: I think if you want to get a cheer, as a Republican, if you want a cheer from a hipster audience, you definitely say you're for legalizing marijuana. That will guarantee you headlines.

Now, he's governor, I'm for states experimenting if they want to. And I -- look, Texas already loses all sorts of people to Colorado in the winter to go skiing. They don't want to lose them to marijuana sales, too.

GUTFELD: Wait, did you just say you were for experimenting with drugs, Dana?

PERINO: No, I said I'm for states experimenting with drug legalization.

GUTFELD: Oh, OK.

GUILFOYLE: Good thing we cleared that up.

PERINO: I'm too scared to experiment with drugs.

BOLLING: All right. OK. We're going to go. We're learning some breaking news right now.

We're going to send it over to Shepard Smith with the FOX News deck right now -- Shep.

SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I hate to call it breaking because we have known about it for about an hour. We're just -- we're so hesitant after all we have heard over the past five days. The Malaysian Air jet, it sounds like the Chinese believe they have found it. It's not as if -- come over here -- it's not as if they have it.

They have pictures which the Chinese are telling us are from a Chinese satellite. Pictures taken on Sunday. These are the pieces. This is in the South China Sea. There are three of them.

That one, this little piece right here, and then one more right here. Now, these don't look like much here. But they're big.

One of them is 70-some feet by 70-some feet. That will have to mean some section of the wing and fuselage. We don't know exactly what it is. We know they're trying to send people out there to search for this area.

I'm going to show you the area we're talking. Let me bring this right here. This is the spot -- remember the crazy stories they have been telling us. This was the original flight plan, the yellow one.

Right up there, about where they first said, remember when they said a couple days ago, it took a left turn and came back over the peninsula there? Well, now, they say that didn't happen. But it's right about here, right there, that they believe that these three objects have been found.

Is it the plane? We do not know. The Chinese seem to think it is. They say the images are from Sunday, but it's Chinese state media. It's the Chinese government. We have no way to know.

But planes are on the way. The boats are on the way. And that's the information we have for now.

I'm Shepard Smith. Back to you on "The Five."

BOLLLING: Thank you very much, Shep.

Kim, let's bring it around very quick around the table.

GUILFOYLE: Yes.

BOLLING: That would make a lot of sense, where they found that --

GUILFOYLE: It would make a lot of sense. They can say what they want about the Chinese, and I'm sure Bob will have something to say, but the significance is there's going to be some tell.

There's going to be forensic evidence if they're able to go to that site, preserve it, and do examinations to tell if there was a blast, whether it was, you know, a manmade detonation, someone donated a bomb onboard, or if it was an equipment malfunction that then result to this, because we lost track of them so fast, there wasn't anything they could find.

So, it sounds like there is some kind of spontaneous event, unpredicted, not foreseen, that happened, whether manmade, you know, terrorist.

BOLLING: Any tells, Bob, on this?

BECKEL: Yes. What it tells me is that global warming, those are all from Antarctica and icebergs and they're floating down there because of global warming.

PERINO: Ninety-eight percent of scientists agree with you, Bob.

BECKEL: That's great.

BOLLING: Any thoughts on --

PERINO: Yes. Here's what I hope, whether it's an accident or terrorism, I hope that they never knew, and that God snatched them up before they had any panic or fear.

BOLLING: Amen.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

GUTFELD: I'm still reeling from what Bob just said. So, you can pass on me.

BOLLING: OK. We're going to do this. We're going to leave it right there.

BECKEL: By the way, seriously, the problem -- who else has a 70-foot by 70-foot piece of something floating in the ocean? Probably it's pretty good indication.

BOLLING: We need to go.

Next on "The Five," the selfie generation. Some interesting findings about America's youth you wouldn't want to miss. Gutfeld on deck.

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GUTFELD: So, according to a new poll, 55 percent of millennials, the generation, not the Pepperidge Farm cookie, have posted selfies. Couple that with their ambivalence towards religion and politics, and we seem to be stuck with zombies cut off from society, absorbed in satisfying their every whim at home. They're the most self-absorbed generation since, you know, the last one.

The truth -- it's not just them, it's us, too. We're experiencing a revolution, and it's one where all barriers to pleasure have crumbled. Entertainment, communication, shopping, pornography, all of the effort once needed for seeking satisfaction has been replaced by pressing "send."

We used to be the pleasure seekers. Now the pleasure seeks us.

Have you ever looked at someone staring at their screen? It's a rat waiting for a pellet of nutrition. Forget the effort needed to fight boredom. Now, those muscles are flabby from misuse.

We have fallen into a receptacle of stimulation. And it is us.

And so, what do you do? Do you remind millennials to access to all things renders them empty? That delayed gratification is the very definition of gratification?

Actually, we need to remind ourselves. It's not the millennials who first put the self before all else. The more famous selfies were not them. Try their parents. They lead by example -- believing since the 1970s that all good things come to those who sate.

PERINO: Nice.

GUTFELD: So, Bob, we're talking about this. We keep blaming the millennials.

You weren't even listening.

BECKEL: I was listening -- completely listening what you said.

GUTFELD: It is not their fault. We're all guilty, but we're blaming the millennials for our own sins. We're doing this and other things, and we say, oh, it's them, it's them.

It's us.

BECKEL: Yes, I think that's exactly right. Listen, the millennials are the largest generation ever. They are -- they're interesting to me, the one thing that is different is 50 percent of them are independents. Most generations prior to that declared themselves pretty much what their parents were and their political affiliation.

Fewer of them are going to church. That's not new. That's been going on for some time.

So, I don't think there's anything new except for the technology. You're right. I mean, I sit around the table, I don't do it, but you all look at those things all the time. And --

GUILFOYLE: You look at your phone for other things.

BECKEL: Yes, but that's not allowed in our stuff. But the fact is that they have available to them the kind of technology that we never had. We're now catching up to it, and people like Eric are using it every single minute of the day.

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: I don't think millennials are that much different. I really don't.

BOLLING: Can I throw something in there? You're right. Millennials are going to church at the lowest rate, alarmingly lowest rate in history. They're also working at the lowest rate.

And so, what's happening, they have so much more time. They're not working, not marrying, at a low rate as well. They have so much more time to spend on their devices. The question is, are they using it wisely?

What's happening is it's becoming a lot easier to text someone than to say hello. It's a lot easier to send something than to actually meet someone for lunch. I think it's a scary, scary world that people are going to find themselves in with a lot of selfies.

GUILFOYE: You don't go out for lunch.

BOLLING: But don't forget, this stuff never goes away. There's an electronic imprint of this stuff for an eternity. I can't imagine what a hiring office is going to look like 20 years from now. How do you explain this?

GUTFELD: Yes, like that's going to be a requirement.

GUILFOYLE: Your tweets would keep people busy.

GUTFELD: No, it's a requirement for a job, the naked selfie.

Dana, chicken or egg? Is the technology creating a divorce from like the idea of community, or is the leaving of the community creating the technology?

PERINO: Probably evolution, right? So, today, I got -- I had somebody who contacted me to urgently call them.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: I haven't talked to them in years. I thought, I'm not urgently calling you. I'll send an e-mail.

GUTFELD: I know who this is.

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PERINO: OK. It was easier to text than to do that.

But on "Cavuto" the other day, they were talking about this fast-food study where they watched these parents with kids and how the moms and dads were on their phones the whole time, and the kids were just sitting there silent. I saw that at the Luke Bryant concert, and I felt so bad for this girl, because her mom never paid attention to her. Then I realized I hadn't paid attention to Peter for, like, an hour.

GUTFELD: That's great. K.G., isn't this really about removing a barrier to entry for things that we think we have to work for? Like, we had to go talk to people.

GUILFOYLE: right.

GUTFELD: We had to go buy things. Now it just comes to us.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I guess, you know, but I mean, I feel like the use of technology makes you more ambitious. I'm able to do twice as much as I used to on any given day, with my little calendars and lists of things to do, I feel like I'm able to accomplish things a lot and I'm able to get back to people very quickly. Where perhaps, maybe I wasn't able to call until after the show or do something. I could send them a quick text, get back, especially with something urgent.

I appreciate the technology, but I try to use it in the right way. Like you don't see me abusing on Twitter or Facebook or any of these things or doing ridiculous stuff, or crazy pictures.

PERINO: As much as we all hope you would.

GUILFOYLE: Despite the demands.

BECKEL: And you thought about -- you see a number of people, particularly millennials, sit down next to you and write a letter?

GUTFELD: Yes.

BECKEL: I mean, that whole art, we're gathered around with people together, when they can gather on Internet groups.

GUTFELD: You ever try to write out a check at the end of a month, and you forget how to write letters? The art of cursive writing has disappeared.

BECKEL: Absolutely.

BOLLING: And spelling. Spell check is everything. Grammar check. You really don't really have to be too smart to write a letter.

BECKEL: All you've got to do is go to Google. Even I can do that. It's the "G" thing.

GUTFELD: You should put your Social Security in there -- number in there, and they get all this stuff. Yes, your birthday.

BECKEL: I don't want to do that.

GUTFELD: All right. Coming up, yesterday he was on Death Row for more than a century for a murder he didn't commit. Now Glenn Ford is a free man and talking about his wrongful conviction. That's next.

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BECKEL: Sixty-four-year-old Glenn Ford is now a free man after spending 26 years on Death Row and 30 years total behind bars in Louisiana. New evidence exonerated him of the 1983 murder of Isadore Rozeman, showing he wasn't even present at the time of the crime. Reporters caught up with Ford after he was released.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Ford, you've waited a lifetime for this moment. How does it feel to be a free man?

GLENN FORD, RELEASED FROM DEATH ROW: It feels -- my mind is going all kind of different directions, but it feels good.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you harbor any resentment?

FORD: Yes, because I was locked up almost 30 years. I can't go back and do anything I should have been doing when I was, like 35, 38, 40, stuff like that. My son, when I left, was a baby. Now they're grown men with babies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: The warden at the prison where Ford was held for more than two decades seemed apologetic.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certainly, I feel bad for him, and certainly I'm sorry it happened, but also when you look at the case, everybody had good intentions, and it was a mistake. And so they rectified the mistake, and that's what's so important. And I feel really bad for him. You know, he stayed here a long time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECKEL: They rectified the mistake 30 years later. This guy was tried before an all-white jury with an incompetent counsel, with is typical for blacks, particularly in the South, that were charged with capital punishment. One of the reasons that there -- most of the people on Death Row are black or Hispanic is because they have bad representation, and the juries are predominantly white.

Go ahead. What do you make of the death penalty? I know you love it.

BOLLING: I don't love the death penalty. I'm pro-death penalty, but I'm -- and I'm also OK, so if that's the case, then we need to beef up or continue to make the jury system better and representation better for criminals, Bob. But I don't think you eliminate the death penalty because there was a mistake made 26 years ago.

BECKEL: More than one. We put people to death who are not guilty.

BOLLING: You don't think that the death penalty...

BECKEL: Not in the slightest.

BOLLING: Well, there's where we disagree.

PERINO: I'm just going to take it to this one angle of this, which is funding for the courts. The courts have been under pressure at the city, state, and federal level. And we actually should prioritize better, and we could deal with some of our other physical issues, we could adequately fund the courts so that hopefully, somebody like this gentleman could have adequate representation, and this wouldn't happen.

BECKEL: Greg.

GUTFELD: If you're against the death penalty because an innocent person might die, you better be pro-life, because there's a lot of innocent death going on every single day. Nothing is perfect, including justice. Mistakes are made. Mistakes are made in war, in defense, construction, in daily life. Innocents die, and it's a shame, but for me, the death penalty is too lenient.

BECKEL: OK.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So as a prosecutor who has handled death penalty cases, and interesting, Bob, all the death penalty cases I had were of white males that were looking at the death penalty. I think to make blanket statements to say all juries are, you know, racist, they're all white juries...

BECKEL: I didn't say they were racist.

GUTFELD: Kind of did.

GUILFOYLE: ... on African-Americans or minorities, I think it's not accurate. As a minority, as a Puerto Rican woman, I think that's inaccurate. I've worked in the justice system for a very long time, Bob. And what I'm telling you is that some of these people, believe me, the death penalty is even too kind for the people that are bad.

BECKEL: As usually, it's four to one segment in the whole show, and all I can say is if you want to support...

PERINO: What do you mean, four to one?

BECKEL: Four to one. Was anybody for -- against the death penalty here?

GUTFELD: We've got to go.

BECKEL: I'm sorry. Please. Get out of here? OK, state sponsored death.

GUTFELD: Got to go.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.

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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing," lightning round version - - Eric.

BOLLING: Very quickly, Jasper Kara (ph), one of our producers, just brought 50 Texas A&M Aggies business fellows to our audience. Look at them. Awesome, you guys. They have been so, so tuned into the show.

BECKEL: So, so conservative.

BOLLING: Thanks for joining us.

PERINO: All right. Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. Banned phrase. All right, there you go.

GRAPHIC: Greg's Banned Phrase. Today's Phrase: Party of No.

GUTFELD: All right. This guy just said that it's a bad thing, the worst word in the world in politics is "yes." When you say yes to things, they spend your money. You should be a party of no. No more weakness, no more government plan, no more hip, edgy, disaffected leadership. Say no to everything.

BECKEL: An optimistic view of the world.

PERINO: All right. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: OK. So mine is like snakes on a plane, but for real. Snakes in a cab. Look at this.

PERINO: Oh, lord.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thirtieth and Eighth, please.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, no!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (EXPLETIVE DELETED)!

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GUILFOYLE: I mean, as if, like, New York cabs aren't bad enough.

GUTFELD: I would hit him.

GUILFOYLE: Or cockroaches.

PERINO: I don't like that. That's not funny.

GUILFOYLE: He didn't really get in trouble. He's a comedian.

PERINO: Hilarious. Right, Bob?

BECKEL: It's been much maligned by conservatives, the interview between Zach Galifianakis and President Obama about Obama care. Led directly to 54,000 unique hits on the health-care Web site. And overall, just yesterday, 575,000 people went to the Web site. It's booming. It's doing great. And too bad for the conservatives to miss that one.

GUTFELD: Five hundred thousand went to Amazon in an hour and didn't buy anything.

BECKEL: Well, that's -- big deal.

PERINO: But Greg, who's counting?

GUTFELD: Who's counting.

PERINO: All right, here's mine. If you think Congress can't do anything, senators Coburn and a Udall just saved you $36 million to the conventions. Now, the party conventions, Republicans and Democrats both got $18.2 million of your money to throw parties at their conventions? Not happening, if these guys have their way. Hopefully, President Obama will get to sign that one.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO: All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." See you back here tomorrow.

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