• KELLY: I don't know, honestly.

    O'REILLY: They would have done it before.

    KELLY: Possibly. But he is the one who is bragging online reportedly about how easy it was, about how he went into work with a Lady Gaga CD, erased it, and then downloaded all of this confidential --

    O'REILLY: Sure.

    KELLY: -- and talking about how easy it was. And how when Hillary Clinton found out, she was going to have a heart attack about the number of confidential documents that he got.

    O'REILLY: He's got to be more to it because they picked him up early.

    KELLY: You would like to believe -- yes, but the leaks that --

    O'REILLY: No, I'd like to believe it was just Manning.

    KELLY: No, but the leaks that came out in these documents date back to I think February is the most recent. And so, it could have been tied to this guy. I don't know how many people are involved. But this guy Manning has not been charged with espionage. He can and should be. I read the definition.

    O'REILLY: Right.

    KELLY: What he has done falls within that definition.

    O'REILLY: Well, he is a traitor. I mean, they should charge him with treason.

    KELLY: Well, treason is a tougher charge. He is a U.S. citizen so he's got that, but you have to levy war against the U.S. The courts have said it needs to be physical war or you have to --

    O'REILLY: There is physical.

    KELLY: -- a huge war enemy giving aid and comfort. It's interpreted very narrowly. Only 20 -- less than 20 treason convictions in this nation's history.

    O'REILLY: All right. So, you say it's better to do espionage, easier convictions.

    KELLY: So, go after him on espionage which I think they are afraid to do because that statute is written very broadly. It might be found unconstitutional.

    O'REILLY: Well, they've got to do something, all right? They got to do something, and today, President Obama didn't say anything which was stunning to me.

    Kelly, thank you very much. We appreciate it.

    KELLY: You bet.





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