• With: Ann Coulter

    This is a RUSH transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 21, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

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    BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Now for the top story tonight: One of those on the right who does not like how the war in Afghanistan is going is Ms. Ann Coulter. She is the author of the brand-new best-seller "Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America," and she joins us now. Does it make you queasy that you are in agreement with some on the far-left -- almost all of them on the far-left -- about Afghanistan?

    ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "DEMONIC": Yes, though that happens from time to time. I mean, even a stopped clock will be right. The way to understand, I think, all foreign policy is that Republicans support deploying the troops when it is in the national interest of the United States. Democrats support deploying troops, flinging them around the world, in fact, only provided it is not in the United States' national interest. What are we doing in Libya and Egypt? Why have we escalated the war in Afghanistan? Everything we could accomplish in Afghanistan, we had done in the first six months of that war. Yes, we should have gone in, take out the Taliban, kill Al Qaeda, but you don't want regime change in a place like Afghanistan. They have more goats than flush toilets. And -- and Hockenberry has a point. The Taliban themselves, they didn't know what -- Omar didn't know what Usama bin Laden was doing. They invited…

    O'REILLY: Oh, he did so. How you can be so naive?

    COULTER: No, they…

    O'REILLY: Mullah Omar didn't know what Usama bin Laden was doing?

    COULTER: No, he didn't.

    O'REILLY: Of course he did.

    COULTER: No, it's been recorded in many books. But let's just move on from that.

    O'REILLY: Well, now, wait, wait.

    COULTER: The point is…

    O'REILLY: No, I'm going to challenge you. You are not going to stay stuff like that and get away with it.

    COULTER: OK, it's in Peter Bergen's book.

    O'REILLY: OK, I don't care if it's Peter Bergen's book or the Bible.

    COULTER: And it's consistent with their history. Afghanistan has never exported violence.

    O'REILLY: Will you just listen to me for a minute? CIA satellite photos clearly show, and they were shown by the Pentagon before we went in…

    COULTER: Yes.

    O'REILLY: …that Al Qaeda was practicing…

    COULTER: Yes.

    O'REILLY: …had training camps to wage war, jihad…

    COULTER: Right.

    O'REILLY: …that Mullah Omar and the Taliban knew it, allowed it and paid for it.

    COULTER: OK, to continue…

    O'REILLY: So for you to sit there and say the Taliban didn't know what Obama -- Usama was doing is crazy.

    COULTER: OK, let me say what -- that is not inconsistent with anything I'm saying. They did invite Al Qaeda in. They invited Al Qaeda in to go against the northern alliance.

    O'REILLY: No, to go against…

    COULTER: Afghanistan…

    O'REILLY: …Western interest.

    COULTER: ...has never, unlike most -- Afghanistan has never exported terrorism. They just want to be left alone. They are perfectly happy being poor, ignorant and having a 30-year life span. They just don't like foreigners in their country. That is not a good country for a regime change. You know what's a great country for regime change? Iraq is, they are -- Iran is -- you have pro-Western population. All you do is get rid of the crazy leader.

    O'REILLY: All right, let's stay on Afghanistan here. If – if…