• With: Charles Krauthammer

    You see it but I'm interested to think what -- to hear what you say about it.

    KRAUTHAMMER: So, you mean that I get attacked on the right when, for example, I declined to attack Obama because he didn't respond to what a pastor said in a sermon on Easter.

    O'REILLY: But I didn't attack you. I just disagreed.

    KRAUTHAMMER: No, no, no.

    O'REILLY: Politely and with good humor.

    KRAUTHAMMER: That was an attempt at humor. Maybe I should have had a sign on the bottom saying, "irony."

    (LAUGHTER)

    Look, of course, you get attacked from left and right all the time. If you're in the business and you're a big boy, you know that's going to happen.

    And I think you've got to ignore almost all of it because, otherwise, you're going to spend your whole time in response. Now, there are the major issues of our time where you express yourself.

    And if you and, say the body of conservatives, disagree, I think you're obligated to explain yourself. But, beyond that, I don't think you're obligated to go to the mat.

    O'REILLY: No, no. But I find it an interesting exercise on what the strategy is to divide and conquer on the left. And then the right is ideological purity.

    Were you offended when I said you've got to be more than thump the Bible to win the gay marriage debate. Did that offend you, Charles Krauthammer.

    KRAUTHAMMER: I think you were right to say it. And the reason is this. It's a serious argument. I have complete respect for anybody who says, "I'm against abortion," or "against homosexual marriage because I believe in the Bible."

    That, I respect completely and I don't argue. However, if you want to persuade people who are not of your faith, you have to go beyond that or you will not succeed.

    And since we are not a majority country where everybody has the same interpretation of the Bible, I think you have to make a case that goes beyond it.

    It's not that I have no respect for it or that some liberals, I believe, that if you cite scripture, somehow you are written out of argument. And you're, somehow, in a way, that is against the Constitution, introducing religion into politics.

    There is no pro-edition about opposing policy x for whatever reason, it could be religious or secular.

    O'REILLY: Absolutely.

    KRAUTHAMMER: You have every right. But if you want to expand your constituency, --

    O'REILLY: That's right, if you want to win the argument, the majority.

    KRAUTHAMMER: -- then you have to go outside the narrow bounds of your own religion. That's always been true. And that's what happens in the pluralistic society.

    O'REILLY: All right, Charles. I got most of them. And some of those were a little large, but I got most of it. And, as always --

    KRAUTHAMMER: I try to keep them short on your show.

    O'REILLY: I know you do.

    KRAUTHAMMER: Because I know you're just a simple man.

    (LAUGHTER)

    O'REILLY: I am a simple man.

    KRAUTHAMMER: That's what you tell me.

    O'REILLY: If you think of a synonym for "thump," I would have been a lot better off.

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