• With: Curtis Hubbard, Denver Post editorial page editor

    O'REILLY: Oh, no, I didn't. I didn't say anything at the time. I described --

    HUBBARD: My point is that the two are not related.

    O'REILLY: -- I described who he was, who he says he is, all right. And that's it. I made no correlation between him being, quote, unquote, "openly gay" and Jessica's Law.

    And for you to say that I equated --

    HUBBARD: That's not true --

    O'REILLY: No, you're, you're -- now, you are not telling the truth.

    HUBBARD: Your guest is the one who took your words and then said, "He's protecting somebody."

    O'REILLY: Listen, he's protecting the trial lawyers. That's who he's protecting. So, you are ridiculous.

    You're a ridiculous person, and a journalist? This is disgraceful. To say that I described him as a --

    HUBBARD: I don't know that I'm a ridiculous person, Bill, --

    O'REILLY: You are.

    HUBBARD: -- because no one here, other than Representative Sablan (ph), no one in law enforcement, no one in the justice system in Colorado were supporting this bill. And the fact still remains --

    O'REILLY: Yes, and why are they not supporting it.

    HUBBARD: -- what does Representative Ferrandino's sexuality have to do with passage of Jessica's Law.

    O'REILLY: OK. I already explained that to you. If you can't grasp it, I can't help you.

    You saying that I described him as openly gay, which is true, equates to me calling him a pervert-pedophile is a disgrace. It's a disgrace in any column.

    It's a smear. You're a smear merchant. That's what you do. You can't back it up. Now, do you support Jessica's Law --

    HUBBARD: No, I can back it up.

    O'REILLY: No, you can't. You can't back it up at all. If you could, you would have put in your vile, little column.

    All you did was make this giant leap. That's your opinion, fine. And your opinion is your opinion. But you're a smear merchant.

    That's a smear. That's what you do. Now, do you oppose Jessica's Law. Do you oppose it.

    HUBBARD: Bill, I don't think the question here is whether or not I support it or oppose it.

    O'REILLY: No, no, no. That's the question because that's what we are doing in Colorado. Do you, as the editorial page editor of "The Denver Post," --

    HUBBARD: No, but what is my column about. My column was about --

    O'REILLY: -- do you support Jessica's Law or not.

    HUBBARD: It's a -- listen, I don't know enough about it to say whether or not --

    O'REILLY: You don't know enough about it. So, you write a column about our reporting and you don't know about it.

    HUBBARD: I didn't write about Jessica's Law, Bill. I wrote a column about your comments on his sexuality.

    O'REILLY: Yes, his description.

    HUBBARD: I said --

    O'REILLY: I described him the way he describes himself.

    HUBBARD: If you had simply said, democrats in Colorado oppose Jessica's Law, here's why, I probably never would have brought it up.

    O'REILLY: Look --

    HUBBARD: But the fact of the matter is that you used the sexuality to impugn his character --

    O'REILLY: I didn't impugn his character at all.

    HUBBARD: -- and to imply to your viewers that his sexuality --

    O'REILLY: I'd said what his priorities are as speaker of the house.

    HUBBARD: Yes.

    O'REILLY: Look, I'm going to post this -- I'm going to post this on billoreilly.com, the whole thing, so people can see what a charlatan you are.

    You can't win the argument. You don't know what you're talking about Jessica's Law.