• With: David Silverman, President of American Atheists

    O'REILLY: Not cool.

    SILVERMAN: Not cool for you to cloud this issue. This issue is about religious neutrality from the government. The government says. The government is not allowed to pick sides.

    O'REILLY: Okay, number one --

    SILVERMAN: Religious belief or philosophy is fine.

    O'REILLY: If you read the constitution it says the government cannot promote a religion.

    SILVERMAN: No, it says the Congress shall not establish any laws respecting an establishment of a religion.

    O'REILLY: Of a religion. Not a philosophy.

    SILVERMAN: So you wouldn't have a problem with the government of the United States establishing atheism that is also a philosophy. That would be fair for you?

    O'REILLY: Establishing it? What does that mean?

    SILVERMAN: Yeah, so we'll put " In God we Don't Trust" on all the coins.

    O'REILLY: You can put your Winter Solstice sign --

    SILVERMAN: "One nation under no God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.


    O'REILLY: If you wanted to go down to Albany, New York and put a happy Winter Solstice sign on Andrew Cuomo's office door I have got no problem with it. Okay?

    SILVERMAN: Yeah you would. I thin you would.


    O'REILLY: Don't tell me what I think when I said I didn't have a problem, I don't have a problem.

    SILVERMAN: Sorry.

    O'REILLY: Got it.

    SILVERMAN: Sir, you would have a problem with it.

    O'REILLY: No I would not.

    SILVERMAN: I'm challenging you on that. You would.


    O'REILLY: You are challenging me? You don't know me.

    SILVERMAN: Yes do I know you. I watch your show.

    O'REILLY: That's ridiculous.

    SILVERMAN: It wouldn't be right either because the governor is not in a position of promoting Atheism.


    O'REILLY: Winter Solstice is not a religion.

    SILVERMAN: No --

    O'REILLY: It's a holiday. If he wants to put Winter Solstice up on his office door, I have got no problem with it.

    SILVERMAN: Actually it's a celestial event and you are right it would be secular. If you put up there "in God we do not trust" -

    O'REILLY: Jesus Christ.


    O'REILLY: I just said Jesus Christ that's a religious -- he was a man. Now, Christmas tree is a secular symbol. It's a secular symbol. It has nothing to do with Christianity.

    SILVERMAN: What's that first word?

    O'REILLY: Secular symbol.

    SILVERMAN: Christmas.

    O'REILLY: Christmas tree.

    SILVERMAN: Christmas is a Christmas tree. Now look --