O'REILLY: Everybody would have killed him.

GOLDBERG: ... would be all -- and you know what my answer to that is? So what?

So what? You don't do anybody any favors, whether it is the NAACP or any other group, when you don't speak honestly to them. And we don't speak honestly to black people. You've three or four influential black people on the show over the last week and this week. Nobody wants to acknowledge what the problem is.

O'BRIEN: In Chicago?

GOLDBERG: In Chicago.

O'REILLY: I'm glad you brought that up. That's why I said to the reverend -- he's a good man. And he is very concerned about it. Look, the cops can't do it. The National Guard can't do it. All right. What has to happen is the African-American community has to come together and demand that it stop.

GOLDBERG: Precisely.

O'REILLY: And the reason in the long term that it's come to this is because young boys, once they get big enough, don't listen to their mothers.

GOLDBERG: Absolutely.

O'REILLY: and if the mother says, "Don't go out," the young boy says, "I'm going out and I'm going to get in a gang," because they're almost impressed into the gang.

GOLDBERG: That's precisely the problem.

O'REILLY: And that's what you have.

GOLDBERG: And -- and with all the guests you had on in the last few days.

O'REILLY: Nobody would acknowledge it? Nobody.

GOLDBERG: Exactly. And neither will the Democrats and neither will the Republicans. And just in fairness, white underclass isn't doing a whole lot better. The illegitimacy rates.

O'REILLY: It parallels. You can see the white precincts. When there's no father present, the behavior isn't the same...

GOLDBERG: Right.

O'REILLY: ... as it was in the black. And the same thing for Hispanics.

GOLDBERG: That's correct.

O'REILLY: What you can't control young black boys. Young black boys, young white boys, young Hispanic boys are likely going to go wrong if they have no structure.

GOLDBERG: Right. But that young woman like you played a clip of earlier, what are you going to do for me? And Mitt Romney goes to the NAACP and says the schools are failed the children, your children.

No. The schools haven't failed their children. And I'm not saying the schools are great, necessarily. They have failed the schools. You go to school and you don't want to study, because you think that's...

O'REILLY: And nobody makes you study.

GOLDBERG: And nobody makes you study.

O'REILLY: Right.

GOLDBERG: Listen, the one thing I want to leave you with: nothing is going to change in black America for the better as long as you have 72.5 percent of all the babies born with no father around. It isn't going to change.

O'REILLY: All right. Bernie Goldberg, everybody. There it is.

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