• With: Jill Abramson, former 'New York Times' Executive Editor

    This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," July 16, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Right now, here ON THE RECORD, fired "New York Times executive editor, Jill Abramson. For the very first time on TV, Abramson will tell us all about her controversial firing. You'll hear what she has to say about that in just a minute.

    But first, Abramson not holding back. While working at "The New York Times" and after decades of covering presidential administrations, Abramson calling President Obama's White House the most is he secretive White House that she's covered. And she's not the only one.

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    BYRON YORK, THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER: This is not the most transparent administration in history.

    BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I will make our government open and transparent.

    One of the things I want to do is open things up. I want transparency. I want accountability.

    BOB CUSACK, MANAGING EDITOR, 'THE HILL': This White House came in saying we'll do things differently, we'll change Washington. They didn't change Washington.

    OBAMA: The more transparency we can bring to Washington, the less likely it is Washington will be run by lobbyists and special interests.

    Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.

    A.B. STODDARD, 'THE HILL': He's broken a promise.

    OBAMA: This is the most transparent administration in history.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    VAN SUSTEREN: And joining us, Jill Abramson.

    Nice to see you, Jill.

    JILL ABRAMSON, FORMER 'NEW YORK TIMES' EXECUTIVE EDITOR: It's great to be here, Greta.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And I say "fired," because that's the term you want. I would have used "former" but I read that you like "fired."

    ABRAMSON: That's what happened to me. And I have devoted my career to truth-telling, so why hide that. And there are an awful lot of people in this country who, like me, have been fired from there job so --

    VAN SUSTEREN: "Fired" it is, then.

    I want to talk about the whole issue of President Obama and transparency.

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    VAN SUSTEREN: How many presidential administrations have you covered?

    ABRAMSON: I'm going to date myself. I have been covering politics back to the Carter administration which was when I was starting out in journalism, so a long time.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You said have this administration is the most is the secretive. What is your support? Why do you say that?

    ABRAMSON: I think it's easy to demonstrate that that's true, starting with -- I love the name of your show, "ON THE RECORD." I have never dealt with an administration where more officials -- some of whom are actually paid to be the spokesmen for various federal agencies --demand that everything be off the record. So that's secretive and not transparent.

    But the most serious thing is the Obama administration has launched eight criminal leak investigations against sources and whistleblowers. And they have tried to sweep in journalists, including - it's almost the one- year anniversary exactly that your college, James Rosen, had his record secretly looked at by the government in a leak investigation.

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    ABRAMSON: These are like really have put a freeze and have interrupted the normal flow of journalists who want to cover Washington, and national security especially.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Is it profoundly different thought than the other administrations?

    ABRAMSON: It is profoundly different. Before these cases, these eight cases, and all of history, there have been fewer than half of those. And so it is different.

    VAN SUSTEREN: We listen to Josh Ernest, the current White House press secretary. And just the other day, he said that this is the most transparent. The president also said that.

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    VAN SUSTEREN: He said he, quote, "absolutely sticks by President Obama's line about having the most transparent administration." Are they also delusional then?

    ABRAMSON: No. You know, in certain ways they have declassified some documents. They have done something that weigh on the side of transparency. But I just think that these criminal cases, these criminal leak investigations outweigh all of the good that they have done and all of the efforts they have made to try to be transparent.

    You said, in the lead in to the show, I'm not alone in pointing out how closed and difficult this administration is for reporters. Everyone from Bob Schaffer to Lynn Downy, who was top editor at "The Washington Post," have commented at how secretive this White House is.

    VAN SUSTEREN: We've got now, just recently 38 journalist organizations --

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    ABRAMSON: Right, protests.

    VAN SUSTEREN: -- protesting in a letter. You have the White House photographers, who have been objecting because they don't have access. Instead, the White House photographer, the official photographer is taking the pictures and handing it to them.