• With: Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister

    VAN SUSTEREN: We have much more with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Up next, he warns President Rouhani will hoodwink the United States and the rest of the world. You're going to hear what the prime minister plans to do about that next.


    VAN SUSTEREN: More of our interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.


    VAN SUSTEREN: I suspected when I heard you speak before the U.N., you said that Israel would go alone essentially if the international community, or Israel will take responsibility to get rid of the nuclear weapons in Iran. I suspected that the day before President Obama was not as strong and that he thought there was a way Iran could keep enrichment capabilities whether it's for energy or medical or whatever. That's what I suspected. I suspected that's why you were so forceful the next day saying Israel will go alone. And of course that harkened back to other times when you have spoken about Israel's right to defend itself, and at what point do you activate that right.

    NETANYAHU: Well, first of all, the president said that he will not give up the option to prevent Iran militarily. I think that's important. Secondly, I don't seek a military solution. I would be the happiest person alive if we actually get a real dismantling of Iran's nuclear program with diplomatic means, but it has to be real.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Since we spoke March 7, 2012, nothing happened.

    NETANYAHU: That's correct.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing happened at all.

    NETANYAHU: Except exchange of words, sugar coating.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Plus 15 months more to do whatever they want.

    NETANYAHU: Exactly. I say if they continue enriching, they are piling up enriched uranium as negotiations proceed. I say pile up new sanctions.

    But I think if we can get a peaceful agreement that is a true deal, a complete dismantling, no partial deals and no enrichment left -- they say they want it for medical isotopes. Greta, dozens and dozens of countries, I'm sure the number is much more than dozens, they have medical isotopes. You can buy the stuff. You can get it. They say they want it for nuclear energy. Well, 17 countries, big countries have a civilian nuclear energy program again without these elements that can produce nuclear weapons.

    Khamenei wants nuclear weapons. Rouhani was a servant, he wrote this book in Persian. He's an open book. He wrote the book on nuclear strategy, negotiations and nuclear strategy. He always says -- I have to read this to you. He was Iran's chief nuclear negotiator between 2003 and 2005. At that time Iran was able to hoodwink the west and build the critical facility that separates uranium yellow cake, uranium ore, and converts it to enrich-able form. That's how you make the bomb.

    And here is what he said. In this book he said "While we were talking to the Europeans in Tehran," negotiating, "we were installing the equipment in the nuclear conversion plant. By creating the calm environment, calm international environment, we were able to complete the work." That's what he says. He says basically, I fooled you once. I will fool you twice. Do you remember that? Fool me once, fool me twice. Fool me thrice? We are not going to let him do it. That's what this man is about. He openly says "I am deceiving you."

    VAN SUSTEREN: We go back. It seems like in the United States with "The New York Times" being their editorial and the president trying to meet with Rouhani and apparently trying to meet with him, it seems the United States is impressed with him in some small way. Even though it wants to have things verified, but there is a thaw there. It seems that the history of the president, things he has said, lack of example of actual product, that we are going for the "fool me twice."

    NETANYAHU: I think people are more careful than that. And I was impressed with the fact that the president wants a real cessation of the problem, a real dismantling of the program.

    Now I think the Iranians think they can get away with it. I don't think they can, because if we are very focused on what it is that is a true dismantling of the program, then they can't get away with it. And what will happen, OK, just think about it. You do a partial deal, leave them with nuclear capability. You remove some of the sanctions. The sanction regime collapses. So you have nice editorials. You have a ceremony. Everybody claps hands. Two weeks later, the sanctions collapse and Iran continues to work toward the bomb, a breakout capability. Nobody is going to benefit. Everybody will understand that.

    So I think people are smarter in Washington than you would think, and it's complex. There is a natural desire to have a real nonmilitary solution, a diplomatic solution. Who doesn't want that? But it has to be real. It can't be a fake deal, a phony deal, a partial deal. And I think that that is something that's penetrating the consciousness both of the public but also the decision-makers. You want something that will stick. You don't want a fluff ceremony that evaporates and dissipates, and we are left with nothing or worse than nothing.