• This is a rush transcript from "On the Record," September 18, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Let me just bring you to another topic, though. I want to ask you about the president's foreign policy. And of course, you remember back in 2008, the then president candidate -- presidential candidate Obama promised to improve America's image overseas.


    BARACK OBAMA, THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We will restore our moral standing in the world. We will once again lead the world not just militarily but diplomatically, economically.


    VAN SUSTEREN: And of course, during his first year in office, President Obama even receiving a Nobel Peace Prize. But five years later, as we see what is happening with Syria, Russia, Egypt, our good friends in the U.K. saying no to President Obama about a military strike in Syria, and even Brazil's president dissing President Obama and saying no to a state dinner at the White House in October.

    Has the president actually made America's standing in the world worse?

    PAT BUCHANAN, FORMER REAGAN ADVISER: No question that American influence is dramatically diminished from what it has been and it's certainly diminished from the days when we won the cold war and George H.W. Bush got the whole world behind him to throw the Iraqis out of Kuwait.

    And I think when you get the president of Brazil saying, Greta, I don't think I'm coming to a state dinner, Mr. President, and cancel it...

    VAN SUSTEREN: See, I -- I actually think that's, like, one of the worst! I mean, that's pathetic! I mean, you know, Everybody wants a state dinner at the White House, every single nation. And the president of Brazil is so upset because NSA is spying on her...

    BUCHANAN: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: ... and spying on Brazil that she suddenly says, Cancel it. I'm not coming to a state dinner. If that isn't sort of the clincher in terms of telling what the world thinks of us, one of our oldest allies...

    BUCHANAN: And also, my guess is she's standing very tall in Brazil because the people of Brazil probably said, Good for you standing up to the Americans.

    Now, this is one of the problems we've had, I think, since about year 2000. We've gone around, talked about we're the indispensable nation, the benevolent global hegemon, we stand tall, we see further than others, the exceptional nation, when Putin talked about that.

    I think a lot of people see America as behaving like a moral and political tutor to the world, you know, the sheriff of the global village. And they're saying, Enough is enough. And we ought to get the message!

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, if we were even any good at it, though! That's the problem is that we haven't been particularly good at it. And the fact that we have to have President Putin bail us out of this mess with Syria...

    BUCHANAN: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You know, I mean, it's -- you know, I mean, who would have guessed that after the Soviet Union fell in 1991-

    BUCHANAN: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: ... and that now we have Putin, now we're -- now we're leaning on Putin to rescue us from a serious problem...

    BUCHANAN: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: I mean -- I mean, that's unthinkable!

    BUCHANAN: But who got us into the problem? You know how we got in the problem? President of the United States said, Assad must go, and my red line is this. If they move the chemical weapons around, they use them, that's it. He made these -- issued these threats, these ultimatums, and he had nothing to back it up.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well...

    BUCHANAN: And so Assad said, I'm not going. And we don't -- there's confusion about who used these chemical weapons. It's now -- the finger of suspicion is pointed at Assad's army, at least. And he does nothing! And the Russians -- frankly, the Russians bailed him out.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Did you see what the secretary of defense -- former secretary of defense Panetta and Gates said?

    BUCHANAN: I did see what they said. And they were pretty tough on him. But Secretary Panetta, as I understand it, said, Well, if you draw a red line, you have to do something about it.

    But let me say this, Greta. Look, simply because President Obama drew a red line in the sand on Syria does not mean the Congress of the United States should therefore authorize the a war on Syria. Maybe he ought to just stand down. George Bush drew a red line. He said the world's worst dictators aren't going to get the world's worst weapons.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You know, when president...

    BUCHANAN: What about North Korea?

    VAN SUSTEREN: When -- well, and when Senator Obama was running for president, he went to the -- Germany, Brandenburg Gates, and drew 90,000. And now even Angela Merkel -- you know, she won't stand behind us.

    BUCHANAN: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You know, that one's bad -- that's another one.

    BUCHANAN: We ought to start standing up for ourselves. Tell the Germans -- you know, we've got, I don't know how many, 25,000, 50,000 troops still in Germany. Bring them home. Tell the Germans start -- you know, man up. Start defending yourselves again.

    VAN SUSTEREN: That's a good -- I think they should man up over there.

    All right, Pat, Syrian president Bashar al Assad sitting down for an interview with FOX News correspondent Greg Palkot and former congressman Dennis Kucinich. Here is part of that interview.


    GREG PALKOT, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Mr. President, this is so important. Let me just follow up on just one or two points and then move on. Again, no conditions. You will agree to this plan to destroy your chemical weapons. You had put conditions on this in the past, in the past week or so. No conditions.