• With: Martha Boneta, Virginia Farmer/Tea Party Member; Kevin Kookogey, President of Linchpins of Liberty

    VAN SUSTEREN: And it's organic.

    BONETA: Yes.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And you do farm it yourself or do you have help?

    BONETA: Yes. Well, we farm it ourselves and we do have, you know, people that help us.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And how do you get -- how do you sell your products?

    BONETA: Well, until, you know, recently, people would come to the farm with their families and they would, you know, collect their vegetables and their eggs and their honey, and that's what we did, and you know, before the county came in and started overregulating it and imposing all of these restrictions.

    VAN SUSTEREN: You're a Tea Party member. What's your affiliation with the Tea Party movement.

    BONETA: Well, I am a member of the Tea Party, and I'm affiliated with a number of Tea Party groups, you know, throughout Virginia. And you know, most of all, you know, I think that this issue not only affects, you know, Tea Party members, but I think it affects all -- all Americans because nobody should have to live in fear of being targeted because of who they are or what they stand for and what they believe in.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been audited before?

    BONETA: No.

    VAN SUSTEREN: This is your first time.

    BONETA: Uh-huh.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything peculiar about your tax return? Is it complex?

    BONETA: I mean, other than the fact that I have a farm, I don't know that there is anything else particularly unusual about it.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Martha, was it -- has it been terrifying or scary?

    BONETA: It's absolutely terrifying. It's terrifying to know that my -- that my IRS audit, my personal private tax returns were even disclosed publicly by somebody before I even became aware of the audit. And the process has been absolutely terrifying for me and my family.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And I should say they're denying that -- they're saying it's just a mere coincidence.

    BONETA: Yes. They say coincidences do happen.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Meanwhile, the -- at least the Treasury IG -- the Treasury inspector general is looking into it.

    BONETA: Yes.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, good luck, Martha.

    BONETA: Thank you.

    VAN SUSTEREN: There are -- you know, there's a lot of complaints about the IRS these days. We're hearing more and more. Nice to see you.

    BONETA: Thank you. Nice to see you.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And the president of Linchpins of Liberty saying the only thing phony about the IRS scandal is the Obama administration's response. Kevin Kookogey is -- joins us. Kevin, nice to see you. I should say Kookogey. I always get your name wrong.



    KOOKOGEY: Oh, that's all right. It's not an easy one.

    VAN SUSTEREN: I know, but you know, I've actually...

    KOOKOGEY: Thanks for having me back.

    VAN SUSTEREN: I actually practice it, which makes it worse, you know, that I make the mistake. All right, tell me, what do you think -- what's your response to the president saying that this -- these are phony scandals?

    KOOKOGEY: Well, as you said, the only thing phony is the administration's response because they continue to pretend that they have not violated our constitutional rights. For almost 31 months now, the IRS has unlawfully delayed and obstructed my application for tax-exempt status. They are conditioning our rights on how we choose to exercise them. And the IRS continues to insist that I disclose the identity of the students that I teach, some of whom are minors, the locations where I teach them, and my political views on almost everything possible.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Has anything changed since the last time you were here on "On the Record"? I mean, has there been any sort of progress in terms of the -- of your getting the exemption, or has -- have any of your business interests been -- had any sort of impact as a result of this?

    KOOKOGEY: Well, unfortunately, there has been a huge -- a huge problem with my business in that on June 5th, 2013, which is, incidentally, the day after I last appeared on this program and the day after I testified before Congress, I received a call from one of my dear friends, a long-time client, who expressed such uncomfortableness with my speaking on these political views that they decided that it was no longer appropriate for us to be in business together. So that was 75 percent of my family's business.

    And if there's something I'd like to say to the administration, is I would like them and Jay Carney and the president himself to tell my family that this is phony.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, the president said on May 15th -- I'll quote from him -- he says, "I have reviewed the Treasury Department's watchdog report and the misconduct that is uncovered is inexcusable."

    Now, I don't know what happened between the inexcusable on May 15th to yesterday and today, where now he says it's phony. So I don't know what happened in between. Any thoughts?

    KOOKOGEY: Well, he's contradicted himself, as you pointed out. And fortunately for us, Greta, the truth does not depend on what Barack Obama says it is. The truth exists separate and apart from that. And if he doesn't master the truth, the truth will master him.

    VAN SUSTEREN: How painful is this to you?

    KOOKOGEY: Well, of course it's painful in the way that it has affected my family, it's affected my business. Remember, before, I had explained that I've also -- as I testified before Congress, I had lost a $30,000 grant.