VAN SUSTEREN: So what's going to help?
RUMSFELD: I don't know. I think what will happen is if that was going on, it's possible that more was going on and it will pop up over a period, and it will come out over a period of time. And people will say I now understand what happened to me. And to the extent that happens, it won't go away probably.
VAN SUSTEREN: What happens to ObamaCare, anything since its being administered by the IRS?
RUMSFELD: I think so. I cannot imagine that people will want that organization, the IRS, to be the deciding institution that would look at healthcare and your healthcare circumstantial and how you spend your healthcare dollars and what's the nature you are of your insurance and what you are spending those dollars on. I just can't imagine that there won't be some change in that.
VAN SUSTEREN: We turn to the AP. Obviously national security and important issues about leaks, but now the controversy over the breadth and the secrecy of the seizure. Your thoughts about it?
RUMSFELD: When I her the attorney general say he's been in and out of this business for a decade or two, and that in his judgment this ranked one, two, or three in the most serious breach of security he's ever seen, I said to myself, I don't know. I don't know what I think about it.
It's conceivable to me that there could be something that would be so serious that the government might do something. Now, what might they have done? One way to do it is to go to the leadership in Congress and sit down. That's been done before on very important matters.
Another way to do it would be to go to a FISA court, I suppose, and see if they have the ability to look at something or to take a group of congressional leaders together, and say here's something, we are going to have to do something we don't want to do. I've been in the executive branch for an awful lot of years and I've never seen anything like that.
VAN SUSTEREN: The CEO, or the president issued a statement and he mentioned when the AP first had the story they consult the administration and they held the story until it seemed to me to be some sort of agreement that the danger had passed.
RUMSFELD: I didn't know that.
VAN SUSTEREN: That's what the last paragraph. So that's the sort of curious thing is sort of the give and take that I don't understand with the administration. It seemed like they were talking.
RUMSFELD: And if the AP had it, they had it. It's not like it's going to disappear. And they already knew what was in it. So I just don't know. I want to let the grass grow on that one a little bit and see what I think about it. But one of my rules in the book is if you don't know, it's perfectly all right to say you don't know.