• With: Stephen Hayes, The Weekly Standard

    VAN SUSTEREN: This is the pool!

    HAYES: Yes.

    VAN SUSTEREN: This is the pool!

    HAYES: But I -- but as a general rule, I don't have a problem with off-the-record sessions. What I have a problem with is not pressing the president on the record, I mean, not pressing him for more on-the-record conversations or discussions or...

    VAN SUSTEREN: But he -- the president says -- he said in a Google Hangout -- this again in Politico on last Thursday said this is the most transparent administration in history!

    HAYES: Well, that's preposterous. Nobody takes that seriously.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Well, apparently...

    HAYES: I don't know anybody...

    VAN SUSTEREN: ... the rest of the media does! The media is not pressing him on that!

    HAYES: I don't know anybody who doesn't work for the president who believes that that's actually the case. And I know there's -- there's a lot of frustration in the White House press corps. What we haven't seen is this kind of uprising or this kind of outcry about it.

    Now, I hope they keep this up. I mean, it's one thing to do it because they didn't get...

    VAN SUSTEREN: But...

    HAYES: ... a picture on a golf course. I would like them to do it on Benghazi, on some of these other issues...

    VAN SUSTEREN: But -- but they already caved in the back of the...

    HAYES: ... making (INAUDIBLE) these questions.

    VAN SUSTEREN: What makes (INAUDIBLE) is that they caved caved in the back of Air Force One after complaining that -- after finally speaking up -- they're finally speaking up -- they don't get the picture with Tiger Woods -- and I don't care if we have a picture of Tiger Woods or not. We can all imagine what the president looks like playing golf with Tiger Woods...

    HAYES: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: ... and we all know what both of them look like. But even after they got the courage to protest that, that they didn't have access, they then get weak and the fall apart on the back of the plane!

    HAYES: But they -- look, I mean, I think part of the problem is they don't want to -- they're so worried about the very limited access that they get that some of them don't want to ask the hard questions when they do get access because they're worried that they'll be punished...

    VAN SUSTEREN: Who...

    HAYES: ... and sent to the gulag.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And let me go back to that. They work for the pool and they're not doing their jobs!

    HAYES: Yes. Well, I think they need to ask more questions and demand more time with the president on the record. He hasn't done -- there was an article today that said that he hasn't done an interview -- on-the-record interview with The Washington Post since 2009, the New York Times since 2010.

    Now, I don't think that he's getting very difficult questions that often from those outlets, or they're certainly -- it's not reflected in their coverage, but they should be demanding that he spend more time with them. And I think if they were -- if they were covering him tougher on a daily basis, he would want to reach out to them to explain himself more often.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Steve, as always, thank you.

    HAYES: Thanks, Greta.