VAN SUSTEREN: Twenties or thirties?
CAIN: It would have had to have been late 30s, early 40s, is just a guess. And that's just a wild guess.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. How did you first hear that she was making a claim against you? Who told you?
CAIN: The Politico that published the article...
VAN SUSTEREN: No, going back into the '90s. When you first -- going back in the '90s, not...
CAIN: Oh, OK.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... the latest round, but...
CAIN: Got it. Got it. Got it. My general counsel came to my office and told me that she had made a claim. And I said, OK, what do we need to do?
VAN SUSTEREN: What did she -- what did he say she claimed you did?
CAIN: He just used the term sexual harassment claim.
VAN SUSTEREN: You didn't say what -- like what?
VAN SUSTEREN: You didn't say, like, Whoa, what did she say I did?
CAIN: No, I didn't. I just said, What do you mean sexual harassment? She's made some claims of sexual harassment. Now, he may have told me what incidents that she might have included in the claim, but all day today, as I've been getting beat up, I've been trying to recall what some of those things were and haven't been able to recall a lot of them because that's why they got dismissed. It was no basis because it was simple stuff. And I can't remember all of...
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember any of it?
CAIN: I remember one that was in the claim, and that is, in my office -- and this has come about just during the day as I have tried to recollect what happened back then. Now, let me first make sure -- I recused myself and it was handled by two of my staff members. And they were -- one of them is an officer level. So once it was resolved, I wasn't involved, don't recall what, quote, unquote, "settlement," termination -- I don't know what it was.
But here's the one incident that I recall as the day has gone on. She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying, Oh -- and I was standing close to her. And I made a gesture, You're the same height as my wife, and brought my hand -- didn't touch her -- up to my chin and said, You're the same height of my wife because my wife comes up to my chin, my wife of 43 years.
And that was put in there as something that made her uncomfortable as part of the sexual harassment charge.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did she say anything like, OK, that's weird, or anything, or she's -- just that the next thing you noted, it was in the accusation?
CAIN: No. I can't recall any comment that she made, positive or negative, after I made the gesture about her height, comparing it to my wife's height.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So it was -- so once the general counsel came to you and told you there was a claim, what was the next thing you did?
CAIN: I recused myself and told Peter...
VAN SUSTEREN: The general counsel.
CAIN: ... the general counselor -- to get together with Mary -- I'm losing the last names because we're talking 12 years ago -- that for them to basically address it. I do recall that the lady making the charge had gotten an attorney. And I recused myself because I was the CEO and the charge was being leveled against me.
Peter kept me updated on the progress of this whole situation, and the thing that I remember most is when one day he came in and said, First, the charges were found baseless.
VAN SUSTEREN: By whom?
CAIN: I don't recall by whom the charges were found baseless. I don't know whether it was attorneys getting together. I don't even remember if we had outside attorneys. I was busy traveling. I was busy running the association, so I wasn't involved in a lot of the details about this. So I really can't tell you how they were determined as being baseless.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did this woman accuser -- did she say she had any witnesses? Not that she necessarily has to have any, but I'm curious. Did she say she had any?
CAIN: One of the things that I do recall my general counsel telling me that one of the reasons that the -- it was no basis to it is because she couldn't find any witnesses to corroborate her story.
VAN SUSTEREN: Which, of course, you know is sort of typical of -- you know, people don't necessarily sexually harass necessarily in crowds.
CAIN: Right. Not necessarily in crowds. That one little incident about the height thing was in my office, door open, plain view. My secretary is sitting right outside the office. But in reviewing her case, she couldn't find anybody to corroborate her story.
VAN SUSTEREN: Were you ever deposed or questioned by her lawyer?
CAIN: No, I was not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Was she, to your knowledge, ever deposed or questioned by your general counsel or anybody in connection with your organization?
CAIN: I don't know for sure. I can only -- I don't want to presume. I do not know for sure.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK. Between the time that you were told that there was an accusation against you and the time that it was settled, how much time was that about?
CAIN: It was about six to nine months.
VAN SUSTEREN: And during that time, did anyone talk to you at all about it?
CAIN: No, other than my general counsel. That was the only person that talked to me about it.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have any conversation with her?