• With: Brit Hume

    VAN SUSTEREN: So -- so Governor Romney has a complicated program...

    (CROSSTALK)

    VAN SUSTEREN: ... and vague.

    HUME: Vague on tax rates.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And -- and you've got the problem that he hasn't moved in the polls. And you've got Herman Cain with a simple one that people seem to have -- at least, it's catchy.

    HUME: Right.

    VAN SUSTEREN: And he's -- and he's surging upwards.

    HUME: He has. I think he's made some recent mistakes that may begin to -- you know, he may begin to lose altitude. You can't predict that for sure, but I sense that may be coming.

    Perry has an opportunity here. He dug himself a deep hole. He's trying to climb out of it with some substance, which is the right way to do it. If he doesn't, you know, step on himself too many times talking about distractions like, you know, birther issues, he may have a shot at making a recovery. Won't be easy. He's way down. But he's got a shot.

    VAN SUSTEREN: How about the speaker?

    HUME: How about the speaker?

    VAN SUSTEREN: Yes, how about Speaker Gingrich?

    HUME: Well, the speaker is not -- it's hard for him, I think, to get a -- everybody to give him a new look. He's a familiar figure. Many people admire him, very bright guy. But I think he's hurt by the fact that he seems to be yesterday's man. And it's hard to come back from that. People are looking to the future. He may seem like yesterday's man.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Brit, thank you.

    HUME: A pleasure, Greta.

    VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you for staying out so late. Thank you.

    HUME: Glad to do it.