April 26, 2013

A new wave of terror in America?

Guests: KT McFarland, Mark Fuhrman

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," April 26, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MONICA CROWLEY, GUEST HOST: Tonight, there are multiple breaking developments about the Boston bombing suspects, their families and their ties to terrorism.

Welcome to "Hannity." I'm Monica Crowley in tonight for Sean.

Here is what we've learned for the past 24 hours. Late last night, suspect number two, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, was transferred from the hospital to a federal prison medical center about 40 miles away from Boston.

Meanwhile, according to the Associated Press, U.S. officials added the bombing suspects' mother's name to a federal terrorism database 18 months before the deadly attack. And today, lawmakers told Fox News that the mother has now become a, quote, "person of interest."

Fox News also spoke to the mother directly and she said she is not planning to come to the U.S., but that her ex-husband might. She said the suspect's father was being taken to a hospital in Moscow to deal with his, quote, "nerves, head, stomach and elevated blood pressure."

But she isn't the only family member that's raising concern. According to the Weekly Standard, law enforcement is questioning what role, if any, Tamerlan's wife Katherine Russell had in regard to the Boston bombings.

Officials told the Weekly Standard that Katherine contacted her husband by phone after the FBI released the surveillance video of the suspects and told him, quote, "You're being watched."

The report reads in part, quote, "After reading that -- after receiving that phone call, authorities believe Tamerlan decided he could not continue to hide from law enforcement and triggered the brothers' bizarre flight from authorities."

This news comes just a day after we learned that the suspects were not finished trying to kill innocent Americans, as they were planning to come to New York City to detonate more bombs. And last night on this program, we showed you this picture taken of Dzhokhar and his friends on Time Square from last April.

Well tonight, Fox News has confirmed that ICE officials are holding two of the men pictured here, on -- are you ready for this -- administrative immigration violations. Both men are citizens of Kazakhstan.

Joining me now to react are former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman and Fox News National Security analyst KT McFarland. Guys, nice to see you.

KT MCFARLAND, FOX NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Good to see you.

CROWLEY: Mark, let me begin with you because we got this report late today that the authorities now have detained these two individuals, friends or associates of Dzhokhar, citizens of Kazakhstan, pictured with him in Times Square. Being held now on immigration violations, we're debating a big immigration reform bill now in this country, but seems that we can't even enforce existing laws on the people who are already here. But if you set that aside for a second, from a law enforcement point of view, Mark, what does this tell you about where we are in this investigation and where we're going?

MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: Well, one thing is I'm really glad that federal law enforcement is finally swung into action. It's not the agents on the street. It is the people at the top. But when you look at this whole scenario from the first -- the first day of the bombing, this is really nothing -- it's not a big intelligence espionage. This was police work, plain and simple. You got a reputable source in Russia that gives the Boston law enforcement agency, the FBI, information about a possible terrorist living among them and they really do nothing with it. You know, rounding up students that have outstayed their visa now is a little bit too late.

CROWLEY: KT, let's look at the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano. She made an original statement asserting that this was not part of a broader plot. Let's take a look.

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JANET NAPOLITANO, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: The FBI is investigating this as an act of terrorism and the full force of the federal government will support the response and the investigation. There is no current indication to suggest the attack was indicative of a broader plot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CROWLEY: Well, here we go. We've got two citizens who are now being detained by ICE. We've had Russian intelligence bring our attention to at least Tamerlan over the years, multiple times to the FBI, to the CIA. We had customs trigger attention on Tamerlan when he left last year for Russia, which triggered then attention from the joint terrorism task force, and yet, no action was taken at any level. And yet, as we're piecing together different parts of the story, it seems more and more likely that this is a broader plot of international terror.

MCFARLAND: Well, it also -- how does she know? As they were trying to interrogate the guy left in Boston, they got a little bit away through the conversation, the interrogation, and then it was shut down. So who knows what other stuff he had to say? Who knows, was he able to tip us off? He maybe has information about who did the brothers see in Dagestan? Is there a cell in New York? Who is this guy Misha, this mysterious person? What else is going on? What other attacks were planned?

We don't know any of that stuff. Why? Because the minute he started talking, somebody said, you have the right to remain silent and so, he clammed up.

CROWLEY: And one of the things, Mark, that we may not be able to get from him because as KT points out, the Justice Department, all the way up to Eric Holder, because this judge who mirandized this suspect was not freelancing. Let's be really clear about this, this was Eric Holder's decision. We may not come to any kind of independent, or at least through this suspect, knowledge of how they were able to build this bomb.

Fox News was reporting today that this bomb was very sophisticated and it contained details that you cannot find on the web. You could not find the particular mechanisms of this bomb in the Al Qaeda inspire online magazine where they claim they got all the information.

So the question is, -- and how do we get this information? How did they get the details to build this bomb and did they actually have person to person bomb training and with whom?

FUHRMAN: Well, I would assume that Tamerlan, when he went to Russia, he got that bomb training. He certainly -- and as all the experts have told everybody on the news, he didn't go there for six months and just watch TV. He was going there for a specific reason. He was radicalized. He vocalized. He got kicked out of his mosque. He was seeking some kind of training recognition. He wanted to join and be a bigger part of jihad. You know, I can't understand why when you really -- you falter with the information in 2011 and then you have a suspect that is already committed a terrorist act and then you blow that one, too, and you stop the interrogation.

I have no idea why they did this. It makes no sense whatever. You're within the law in that 48 hours of that exception, that public safety exception to Miranda, why not exercise that and they were getting information. That's the irony. They were getting information and perhaps that's the very reason it was stopped.

CROWLEY: Well, it doesn't seem like there is a real strong legal argument to be made here, although there may be one and we just don't know what it is yet. But it seems like it was more or less a political move to shut down the argument, KT, between -- about how to classify him, either as an enemy combatant or as a criminal to go through the criminal justice system in this country. It seems like it was more of a political act.

But let me ask you this, because we talked about the FBI, we talked about the CIA. They both got major tips from Russian intelligence multiple times about Tamerlan. And yet after 9/11, the 9/11 commission report recommended that that wall come down between law enforcement and intelligence agencies so that they could talk to each other and share this kind of Intel. And yet, that doesn't seem to have happened here. This can't be the isolated case where it's not happening. So what is going on?

MCFARLAND: I think the way that this is dealt with is really significant because this is a new wave of terrorism. We have shut down Al Qaeda prime in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bin Laden is dead. We've gotten really good at seeing money move across borders. We've gotten really good at Intel trading and doing sting operations against larger operations.

What we're not good at seeing is the individual or the two individuals. And you pointed out inspire magazine. Well, Al Qaeda got smart. Three years ago they realized what they needed were people who lived in the United States, young, Muslim males that they could somehow inspire to take up the cause of jihad. And so, when they would get these young people who would go to them, then they would kind of help them across the psychological border of saying, OK, it's all right to kill women and children and innocents and it may be all right for you to die in this thing, too.

Once you get to that threshold, once you cross over that as that individual male becomes radicalized likes Tamerlan did, like Dzhokhar did, then it's OK and it's easy. It's cheap to do this, it's easy to do this, and America has a lot of public spaces. So this is the wave of the future. And if they bungled this one, you better watch out because there is going to be more and more.

CROWLEY: And more we're learning now is the radicalization, it's not just happening overseas, it's happening right here under our very noses.

MCFARLAND: Absolutely.

CROWLEY: All right. We have to leave it there. KT, Mark, great to see you. Thank you so much.

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