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February 07, 2012

Will Santorum surge into Super Tuesday?

Guests: Herman Cain, businessman

This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," February 7, 2012. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Joining me now with for analysis, former presidential candidate and the supporter of the Gingrich campaign, Herman Cain. Sir, how are you?

HERMAN CAIN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Mr. Hannity, I'm fine. Thank you.

HANNITY: You're a great American. All right. A little bit different. This process is a little bit different tonight. Not definitive. You got a beauty contest going on for example in Missouri, early numbers, very early show that Rick Santorum and -- polls going into the show that Rick Santorum might do better than he had for example in South Carolina and Florida. What would that mean for him?

CAIN: I think it would mean a slight bump for Rick, but I don't think it would create a surge. Let's go back to Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida. The one thing to describe the results of all of those, Sean, was unpredictability, we knew who was going to win New Hampshire but the way the results came out in Iowa, it was a little bit of a surprise. South Carolina was different from Florida. So I think we're going to see more unpredictability but I don't think even if Santorum win is going to mean a huge bump for him based upon the results tonight.

HANNITY: All right. So, we go on from here, it looks like when everything is now moving towards, the momentum is going to move as we go to Super Tuesday. That's the big night.

CAIN: Yes.

HANNITY: Is that the night where we define pretty much -- you think will pretty much decide who is going to be the nominee?

CAIN: Yes. You recall that Romney now has about 101 committed elect delegates but on Super Tuesday, you have almost 200 delegate votes up for grabs. So, that is going to be a very defining moment. If Romney wins big on Super Tuesday, I think that tells you something, because in addition to the number of delegates, you have to look at the fact where he has won leading up to that point. However, if Newt wins big on Super Tuesday, game on and we still will have a long way to go.

HANNITY: All right. Now, at this point, what would you -- if you were advising any of the campaigns, I know you are supporting Newt here. What do you think Newt has to do to regain his momentum? Santorum if he has a good night, you say gives him a bump. What does Romney need to do, he obviously has a lot of momentum coming out of Florida and Nevada. What would you recommend for each of the campaigns objectively speaking more as an analyst than a supporter?

CAIN: I would recommend the same thing, Sean, to all three. I don't hear a lot about what specifically is your plan to boost this economy and create jobs. Every survey that has been done has said that that is the number one issue on the minds of the voters. But I can't tell you specifically what Santorum's economic growth and jobs plan is. I know what Newt's is because I studied it a little bit before I decided to support him and with Governor Romney, I've even suggested to some of his people, 59 points won't cut it. This is not being critical. But the average person, they are not going to remember that. Be specific about, how you are going to grow this economy and create jobs. Because the report about the unemployment rate is now down to 8.3 percent, yes. When they get through taking out all of the folks that they don't count, and if you add them back then, the real rate is over 15 percent. So, the people that aren't employed. They know that, be more specific would be the advice that I would give to all three.

HANNITY: You think there is too much infighting? Do you think it hurts the eventual nominee? Does it make the eventual nominee stronger? I got to imagine based on your experience and your perspective. You may not like a lot of this infighting?

CAIN: I don't like the infighting. And the people who say is going to make the eventual nominee stronger, I don't think so. Because what this infighting has done, is that it has diminished a lot of the voter enthusiasm. All you got to do is to look at what happened in some of the previous primaries, the voter turnout was down. And I think, it's expected that the voter turnout is going to be down for some of these caucuses. The infighting I believe has a negative effect on enthusiasm which is why whoever gets the nomination, Sean, is going to be an uphill battle to get people re-energized and reengaged for the Republican nominee. That is going to be the big uphill battle.

HANNITY: Why do I suspect this is going to be long forgotten by the time that the nominee and the debates come along and the conventions come along. You know, and there is so many issues emerging about Barack Obama. We now have, and we'll get into this, his war on religion, you know, the free exercise thereof, I mean, with Catholic Church with Christians around the country. I think that's going to be a big issue. I think Solyndra, the scandals that he's facing. Green energy, big bundlers, gaining access, getting money, wasted thrown down the drain. "Fast and Furious" is emerging. And then the overall issue I think is the economy for the president.

CAIN: Yes.

HANNITY: Which I don't -- whether or not they give us false numbers on unemployment or not, it's just nobody thinks the economy is doing well.

CAIN: President Obama did the Republicans a favor today or yesterday when they basically made that statement relative to the Catholic Church, about you got to provide those contraceptives free. Let me tell you, that was mistake. And I got to tell you, that is going to get Christians and evangelicals out of their chairs as well as other people with faith. So, he did them a favor.

Now, the reasons that I say, you still got to worry about getting people excited. Go back to when John McCain was running. I've heard too many people who stayed home because they weren't excited about John McCain. We've got to get excited about the candidate. But what the President did today relative to its whole religion thing, he really did him a favor.

Three things will cause the average person to really start to pay attention. So, that would be a favor. Taxes and jobs, gasoline prices and somebody's religion. So, he did us a favor today.

HANNITY: I think -- and all of these things again will come into forefront. The president has been able to be on the sidelines and throw out anything that he wants. He's not gotten much media's scrutiny but eventually he's got a lot of questions to answer this time that he got away without answering the last time because he's got a record.

Last question, when we have Supreme Court Justice on Egyptian television after Islamic radicals have been voted into power, and says the following, I wouldn't look to the U.S. Constitution if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. What is Herman Cain's reaction to that?

CAIN: It's despicable. There's an old saying that my mother used to tell me. If you don't have something good to say, don't say anything.

(LAUGHTER)

Because I think she shouldn't have said anything. I mean, that does not bode well for her respect of our constitution. And that's going to be a big issue also, Sean. Because this whole religious thing that we just talk about relative to what Obama said and they are trying to force certain things on the Catholic Church and other faiths, well, here is another example of how people are going to push back on people wanting to trample on the constitution. And the mere fact that she said that, I think that that was a mistake.

HANNITY: All right. Herman Cain, always good to see you, sir. Thank you for being with us.

CAIN: Great. Thanks, Sean.

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