• With: James Carville, Tucker Carlson

    This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," October 30, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

    SEAN HANNITY, HOST: Here with reaction, Democratic strategist James Carville is back, and Fox News contributor Tucker Carlson. Why are you smiling, Carville?

    JAMES CARVILLE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, I just -- she was dragged before the committee? Are you sure that's the adjective that you want to use?

    HANNITY: Oh. Do you think she wanted to be there? I don't think she did...


    CARVILLE: I would not use the adjective dragged when I was referring to a 65-year-old woman who's a Cabinet member.

    HANNITY: Oh, OK.

    CARVILLE: But that's why I'm a Democrat.


    HANNITY: I see a football helmet behind you. She certainly was providing a lot of cover for President Obama because she said, No, no, no, he's not -- it's me. And then she was asked, Who's your boss? Who is responsible, James?

    CARVILLE: I would play that -- as a Democrat, I hope they play that hearing 24/7. I just...

    HANNITY: No, you don't.

    CARVILLE: Of course I do. I think the idea of those guys sitting there beating up and a woman saying, "Gee, look, it's my fault, I take responsibility, I'm sorry this happened." And the truth of the matter is, on November the 30th, it'll work or it won't work. If it works, then they'll all look stupid. If it doesn't, then she'll look stupid. We're going to know on November 30th.

    HANNITY: Tucker, we already know the website -- by the way, the year is 2013, Tucker! The fact that you can spend hundreds of millions of dollars and not get a stupid Web site working -- that ought to scare every American!

    TUCKER CARLSON, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: Well, it's also 2013, and we can evaluate a woman's performance based on her performance, not on whether she's a woman or not. This is not a case gender politics. They're not being mean to the girl. She's an adult! She's a Cabinet secretary!

    And by the way, to say that, I'm accountable but not really, I'm not going to resign, as she should -- look, the flaws of ObamaCare are so much deeper. The bottom line in one sentence is this is a massive transfer of wealth from the poorest segment of our society, young people, to the richest, old people! That's not going to work in the end.

    HANNITY: All right, James, let's go back to one of the fundamental promises.

    CARVILLE: OK. Let's go back.

    HANNITY: Let's go back to one of the fundamental promises -- Obama said this at least a hundred times. We'll play one version of it. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Watch. Roll the tape.


    PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, AUG. 11, 2009: Under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

    OBAMA, AUG. 14, 2009: And if you do have health insurance, we'll help make sure that your insurance is more affordable and more secure. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.

    OBAMA, OCT. 15 2008: If you've got health insurance through your employer, you can keep your health insurance, keep your choice of doctor, keep your plan.

    OBAMA, JUNE 15, 2009: If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan, period.


    HANNITY: If you like your health care plan, you can keep it. Now, Marsha Blackburn had an exchange with Sebelius today about this very issue. And she wasn't promising you you can keep your plan. Let's roll.


    REP. MARSHA BLACKBURN, R-TENN.: Madam Secretary, during -- before, during and after the law was passed, the president kept saying if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. So is he keeping his promise?


    BLACKBURN: OK. What do you say to Mark and Lucinda in my district, who had a plan, they liked it, it was affordable, but it is being terminated, and now they do not have health insurance?

    SEBELIUS: Insurance companies cancel individual policies year in and year out. They are one-year contracts with individuals. They are not lifetime plans. They're not an employer plan. Your constituents will have lots of options --


    BLACKBURN: Let me move on. It's what they wanted. And I will remind you some people like to drive a Ford, not a Ferrari, and some people like to drink out of a red Solo cup, not a crystal stem. You're taking away their choice.


    HANNITY: James Carville, I would think -- I know you. You're a man of your word.

    CARVILLE: Right.

    HANNITY: President made that promise...

    CARVILLE: Right.

    HANNITY: ... and as many as 16 million Americans that have individual health plans, they're not keeping their plan, James.