HANNITY: Without raising taxes -- all right, so the next big question is what about ObamaCare, because that's obviously a key issue. I don't think the Senate Democrats will give in on it, I don't think the president would sign a bill that takes away his signature legislation.
RYAN: So, I find this criticism a little confusing or surprising. We call for repealing ObamaCare, why do we do that? Because we don't like ObamaCare. As if we're supposed to put our budget out, which reflects our vision, which reflects to how we think we ought to fix our fiscal problems, what the federal government ought to look like -- for the fiscal policy for the next decade, and we're all of a sudden supposed to include ObamaCare in our vision?
No, we don't agree with ObamaCare, we think it's a terrible law, we think ObamaCare is going to do great damage to our health care system. We think it's going to break the bank, we think it's going to bankrupt hospitals and nursing homes and health care providers and damage the quality of health care to Americans. Now, here is the other dirty little secret, Sean. ObamaCare isn't fully implemented, it has two more years before it's fully implemented and the gory details that are coming in this law have not yet been seen by the American people.
And so, we do think that this law is going to become even more unpopular than it is today and we're not just going to call for its repeal as our budget does. We are going to show a better way to go. We're going to show a better way to have a patient-centered health care system that is controlled by the patient and her doctor, not the a government-run system and that's a big difference of opinion.
HANNITY: When the president sold ObamaCare to the country, he said it would cost 900 billion.
HANNITY: It was under a trillion dollars. The latest CBO estimate that I saw was 2.8 trillion and there was a study that came out that over a long period of time will add six trillion more dollars to our national debt.
RYAN: That's right.
HANNITY: Are those numbers right?
RYAN: That's right, those are recent numbers by the Congressional Budget Office, yes.
HANNITY: OK. So I guess the question I have -- there was a CNS News article that said that Republicans are again vowing symbolically to appeal ObamaCare, and their criticism is, is that when you decided fund the government through the continuing resolution through for the rest of 2013, that that was the moment where you could have defunded ObamaCare. So the question I have for you is, let's assume the House won't pass your bill, but the -- the House will pass your bill, the Senate won't pass it.
You'll go to conference, but this part is, they will want to remove it. In other words, your repeal of ObamaCare. Would you have the power in the House right now with your majority to stop funding ObamaCare and would the House do that?
RYAN: No, because here is the problem, almost all of ObamaCare spending is in entitlement spending. We call that mandatory spending up here, continuing resolutions don't deal with that. They just deal with government agency budgets. Almost all of the spending, the exchange spending, the Medicare, the Medicaid, that's outside of the continuing resolution. That's outside of what we call discretionary spending. So, all of that spending which we repeal in our budget is outside of the purview of these appropriation bills.
HANNITY: What about when we hit the debt ceiling? Because at that point the Congress has the power of the purse.
HANNITY: Would you have the power at that point?
RYAN: So, that's why we have a budget process, right? So our budget process, that our budget proposes to repeal that -- Patty Murray I'm glad she's doing a budget, they're proposing a budget that raises taxes that never ever balances the budget, but at least they're passing a budget for the first time four years in the Senate, that gives us a process where we can look at all spending in government, that's what the debt limit thing is all about. Which is, by doing a budget process, which we haven't done for four years, we can look at all government spending. Right now with the continuing resolution, that just looks at a small slice of the pie, what we call discretionary spending, which does not deal with the vast majority of ObamaCare spending.
HANNITY: All right. Let me ask maybe the question in another way. Is there another way, assuming the Senate and a radical agenda president are never going to go along with repealing ObamaCare. Is there a way that the House will ultimately be able to get that done?
RYAN: Well, you'd have to get the Senate and the president to agree with it. So, short of the Senate and the president agreeing to it, no.
HANNITY: You can't defund it.
RYAN: You can if the president and the Senate agree with it.
I could pass legislation tomorrow getting rid of ObamaCare, I'm going to be bringing it to the budget committee, but you have to have the Senate and president agreeing to it for that to actually occur. I mean, that's how laws are made, right? This is the law of the land, to change the law of the land, you have to have a bill passed --
HANNITY: Doesn't the Constitution give you the power of the purse?
RYAN: Right, but the power of the purse means spending bills that are signed into law by the president. Therein lies the rub. Therein lies the problem. So what are we trying to do? What we're saying is, this is a terrible law. Americans are in for a rude awakening, we're showing how we repeal it and what we replace it with. And we believe that we can still get at this law because Americans are not going to want this thing to stand as far as we're concerned. So, that's one of the components that we put in our budget as we balance the budget without raising taxes.
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