SEKULOW: No, you're absolutely correct. I mean, this was the president. The president owns this. He owns sequester, but Sean, I think there's another point here that has to be made. You know, some have said that this is a manufactured crisis. This is a faux crisis, this isn't a real crisis. These sequestered cuts are not going to end our Republic as we know it, number one. Number two, the president as you said owns this, it was his idea. He thought it would never happen, well, guess what? He gets a revenue increase, he doesn't want to make cuts, now it's happening.
So, it's his own poison pill that he's being forced to swallow here and it's going to be very interesting to see how they're trying to, you know, they're trying to put this off on the Republicans now, but that is not going to work, no one is going to buy that.
HANNITY: All right. Everybody I think in this audience, I think is sophisticated enough, Congressman, to know what baseline government is where government projects these massive increases every year, we're borrowing over a trillion dollars a year, 46 cents of every dollar we're borrowing. This year's budget with all of the president and the demagoguing and doom and gloom in his predictions, we spent more money this year than we spent last year.
And he acts as though this is a Mayan apocalypse, that the Book of Revelations, the seas have been opened and the hell and fury of the final days is upon us. That's just cannot be true. Why does he do this?
KUCINICH: Well, Sean, when things get down to partisan politics, and where truth becomes the parcel of one party or the other party, we've got a problem and that's where we're at with the sequester. The bigger question is, what are we going to do about our country? How we're going to get the economy going? How do we get people back to work? How do we get small businesses moving again?
There are larger questions that are totally being ignored in this and what I find astonishing, Sean, is that at this very time that we're concerned about how we're spending money and we're concerned about the Defense Budget, we're getting ready to send 4,000 U.S. troops to 35 different countries and Africa to start to get involved there and we can't even take care of things here at home and we're going to start telling people in Africa how to take run their affairs.
HANNITY: I don't get Washington math, Jay Sekulow, and I think everything should be measured through this prism. Is it worth breaking open our children's piggy banks, that's the President's basically, this is generational theft and stealing from our kids. So, if we can't cut $85 billion out of 3.8 trillion that we're spending, this is a lost cause. We'll never balance the budget.
SEKULOW: That's why I keep-- yes, that's why I keep saying and I think Dennis agrees with this. I mean, this is in one sense, this is not a manufactured crisis, it's a fake crisis, it's a faux crisis, this isn't going to change anything if the sequester were to go into effect. But what has to be reiterated here is the politics of Washington have done this. And it's the president who initiated this. This was the president's idea, this was his staff's idea. By the way, now there's going to be the Secretary of Treasury, this was their idea to put this in place and they're really having to deal with it.
KUCINICH: Well, Jay and Sean, I want to make, you know, I agree with you Jay, what you're saying, this is, you know, manufacturer or faux crisis. But the fact of the matter is, there will be consequences that are going to be made based on the decisions when they start talking about cutting and that will precipitate some real crisis. We don't know how this is going to end. It may start as a farce, but it could end as a tragedy.
HANNITY: You know, you're pointing out something Congressman that few Democrats seem to be willing to point out, that we keep accumulating this debt. Eventually the markets are going to say, well, we don't really trust lending you money anymore and there's only so much the Federal Reserve can do, frankly, they've done enough damage as it is and does America then begin the spiral down towards Greece?
My fear is one day these cuts will come, but they will be imposed on us just like Greece, just like Spain, just like Italy and Portugal.
KUCINICH: We're the United States of America, we're not going to accept that kind of an austerity program, we're not going to go down the tubes, we've got to fight back, but we need Congress to work together and the president to work with the Congress. And this -- all of this partisan -- doesn't serve the interest of America.
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HANNITY: How can you work with a man who says they want to poison the air and water? How do you work with somebody like that?
KUCINICH: Look, this is what happens --
SEKULOW: I mean, the reality is --
KUCINICH: Wait a minute, hold it, this is what happens when partisanship runs amok. I mean, their cooler heads will prevail at some point and you shouldn't be attacking people who you'll end up having the working with. This is a fundamental flaw in the the approach is being used.
HANNITY: And the president is as guilty as anybody.
SEKULOW: Yes, but the -- that's the politics of it. The reality is this, ask yourself this question, what I'm asking myself. We've got this real serious fiscal crisis in this country, no doubt about it. Dennis Kucinich, we all agree. So, why ask yourself this -- and you've been covering this, Sean -- why are we sending F-16s that we're borrowing money from the Chinese to go give money to the Muslim Brotherhood government, including F- 16s, 20 F-16s and 200 tanks. Ask yourself, why are we doing this? And that kind of fiscal spending is out of control and that would come to roost on us and our children and our grandchildren.
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