RYAN: Right. I'm used to that.
HANNITY: What is your then appeal as a conservative, very different vision for Obama, how do you explain they vote for Obama on the top of the ticket and they vote for Paul Ryan --
RYAN: The secret to understanding me is, I'm not trying to be anybody other than who I actually am. People want candid, refreshing leadership. And I've always tried to go with solutions. You know, I've always tried to say, here's how we get our economy growing, here's why we get our debt under control. That's what Mitt Romney is offering.
That's what the Romney plan is all about, how to get jobs created, how to get this debt and deficit under control, how to revive small businesses so we can create jobs, and how to bring growth and opportunity to society instead of this class warfare, instead of speaking to people like they're stuck in some class or station in life.
The president is preying on the darker emotions within people. Fear, envy, anxiety. We're trying to go back to the American people with an agenda that's uplifting, that produces economic growth, opportunity, that gets the American idea back on track before it's too late.
HANNITY: What is your relationship with President Obama? We all got a chance to go back and look at both you and President Obama on the health care issue. How is that relationship?
RYAN: Well, we've obviously known each other for some time. We've debated each other fairly vigorously on these issues. I think it's one of mutual respect, but just very strong principled disagreements on just governing philosophy. I think he's basically given us his philosophy here and there on occasion, you know, like he said in Roanoke, Virginia, if you have a small business, you didn't build that, someone else did.
That reveals a philosophy of a leader who believes we ought to have a government-centered society and a government-driven economy. That doesn't work. Look at any other country that's tried that agenda, it's failed. It's failing in Europe. They're in the middle of a debt crisis. And the problem we have is all these empty promises that government makes to people become broken promises.
So, in Europe, they're cutting people's retirement and health benefits. And that's what we want to avoid from happening. They're raising taxes, entering a recession. That's the kind of economic program that President Obama has put in place. We have the biggest government since World War II, the largest deficits since World War II, 23 million people struggling to find work.
Under President Obama's policies is the poverty rates in this country are the highest they've ever been. Nearly one in six Americans are in poverty. It's not working. He obviously knows that, but he hasn't changed his tune. He's offering more of the same. And we're offering a very clear break with that and a path to prosperity and opportunity and growth.
HANNITY: The president at different times, though, said that he was going to fix these things. He said he'd cut the deficit in half, he said he'd create jobs. We have fewer Americans working now.
HANNITY: What -- he talked about a stimulus, shovel-ready jobs. They weren't so shovel-red to quote him. What went wrong? Because obviously, he wouldn't have fought for these programs if he didn't think they'd be successful? What do you think went wrong?
RYAN: Well, I think that's right. He had everything he wanted, except for cap-and-trade, which was filibustered, now he's trying to deliver that through the EPA and regulations. So, remember, the first two years of his presidency, his party controlled all of government. So, he got almost every item on his agenda passed. It failed because these policies don't work. More regulating, more taxing, more borrowing, more spending, that doesn't work.
Having what I call crony capitalism, where you take money from successful small businesses, spend it in Washington on favored industries, on favored individuals, picking winners and losers in the economy, that's not pro-growth economics. That's not entrepreneurial economics. That's not helping small businesses. That's cronyism, that's corporate welfare.
It doesn't work. It's never worked. The president is still wedded to it. And that's why you have such a failure of leadership. And that's why I just don't think people are going to rehire this president, because number one, it failed. Number two, he's just promising more of the same. And number three, we're offering a very clear break with that and a path to get back on to prosperity.
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