• With: Judy Miller, Richard Grenell, Jim Pinkerton, Ellen Ratner



    FOLBAUM: The case of Fox News reporter Jana Winter finally gaining some attention by the mainstream media after being widely reported across this network last week. Winter's exclusive July 25th story from last year revealing the existence of a notebook that accused gunman James Holmes sent to his psychiatrist the days before the Aurora movie theater shooting that left 12 dead and 58 injured and now Arapahoe County D.A., or judge, rather, that's Carlos Samour Jr., threatening Winter to divulge the names of her confidential sources who gave her that information or spend time in jail for refusing to do so. The judge delaying his decision now on Monday so we haven't gotten exactly what the judge is going to do, and whether he's going to force Jana to reveal that source or lock her up. But Judy, you almost single-handedly, because of your own personal experiences in this story, a similar one, got people focused on this. I didn't really see anybody talking about it until I read your piece.

    MILLER: Well, thank you very much, but I had a lot of help and initially, believe it or not, from social media, because for some reason, the mainstream media didn't seem very interested. But I did want to salute Hunter Schwarz of BuzzFeed, who was one of the first people to write about the absence of mainstream media coverage and also Joe Scarborough who mentioned her case in his show, and Jake Tapper, the only anchor on CNN who talked about it. But, you know, this can happen when reporters aren't paying attention and I think that's the lesson that we've seen and I also want to thank Judge Carlos Samour (ph), the new judge in this case for trying to begin to make this issue go away.

    GRENELL: We should also probably thank the editors of The New York Times who cover the B section ...


    GRENELL: because they put it on B6, which I thought was very generous, and they were very late with it, so, whoever does the ...

    RATNER: They -- yeah. As of Monday, there was nothing. On Tuesday, they ran an op-ed, et cetera, but as Monday ...

    MILLER: B3. B3.

    RATNER: But it was not anywhere to be seen when it first came out.

    FOLBAUM: Let me -- I want to go back to Rick for a second, as someone who has been a source for journalists in your former capacity as a spokesperson ...

    GRENELL: And possibly with somebody at this table, perhaps.

    MILLER: Possibly.

    FOLBAUM: So, I just want -- explain to folks, because I don't know that everybody fully understands the relationship between sources and reporters and why that, that agreement between them when source needs and requires anonymity, what that's so important and what happens when it's -- when it's broken.

    GRENELL: Yeah. It's certainly very important and sources are the ones, consistent sources, people, where spokespeople. We really know who is pushing the limit, who says things in the media that weren't quite exactly what we said. And so, there is a whole huge kind of industry of people who know the reporters who push it too much. But it's really important to be able to get the story out and not play gotcha politics. The problem that we have in our society is too much of the oh, I'm focusing on one world and we miss the spirit of the conversation.

    FOLBAUM: Ellen, some have said, including Judy that if Jana worked for anyone other than Fox News that the story would have been -- getting a lot more attention a lot sooner.

    RATNER: Well, you know, it is true, actually. Media went and said that all of us here at Fox News right, left, center, supported Ms. Winter. And Ms Winter, yeah.

    FOLBAUM: Yes.

    RATNER: Ms. Winter, I got it right. And that we did that, yes, because people don't understand that we may have different viewpoints where we come from politically, but we all understand, I hope, good journalism.

    PINKERTON: There's a -- I completely agree, this is the finest hour of the media, even the Columbia Journalism Review belatedly came through with a story on this much to their chagrin, I'm sure, because it was helping Fox.


    PINKERTON: But new cases emerge. For example, the Franklin Center for Public Integrity, which is a conservative media watchdog group, and a media outlet, for that matter, did a seven part series on Terry McAuliffe and as green jobs, neo-Solyndra, A123, boondoggle in Virginia and Mississippi. And long and investigative and complicated, caused a lot of ripples, and now Terry McAuliffe is suing them for $85 million. They did their journalistic thing, and now they are being sued for 85 -- that's not intimidation against -- the piece is not defamatory, it simply says they wanted ...

    GRENELL: It's journalism.

    PINKERTON: It's journalism.

    FOLBAUM: Judy, last word on this for now, the fact that the judge has delayed his decision, do you think in the end he's going to do the right thing?

    MILLER: Well, I'm certainly hoping so, and the amount of media attention will also -- it has to affect that decision. And all I can say, Rick -- I would have gone to jail to protect you anytime.


    GRENELL: Thank you.

    And maybe you did.

    FOLBAUM: All right. "Fox News Watch," straight ahead. A superstar couple goes on vacation in Cuba.


    FOLBAUM: American hip-hop power couple Jay-Z and Beyonce taking a controversial trip to Cuba, raising eyebrows from Congress, but are the media dismissing the story? Details next on "News Watch".


    FOLBAUM: There's new fallout over how hip-hop power couple Jay-Z and Beyonce were approved for a recent trip to Cuba. According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the trip was approved as part of a "People to People" cultural exchange program, but we're not aware of who was on the list. Several members of Congress were not pleased, including Senator Marco Rubio. "Since their inception, the Obama administration's "People to People" cultural exchange programs have been abused by tourists who have no interest in the Cuban people's freedom, and either don't realize or don't care that they are essentially funding the regime's systematic trampling of people's human rights." A story much ado about nothing, Judy, do you think that's what one news outlet was calling it?

    MILLER: No, I don't think that is correct. Even though the way, in which it's been covered would suggest that. But look, this issue was, what are we going to do about Cuba? People are going down there left to right. Some people go Brookings, the Brookings Institution just led a very high level delegation down there. We've got to get our policy straight on Cuba and I think if they serve to highlight that point, it's good. Even though I wish that Jay-Z had done what Bono did when he went down there, which is to talk about the people who are in jail and the dissidents.

    FOLBAUM: There are these pictures, Rick, of the couple smoking Cuban cigars and drinking martinis, not that I have anything against any of that, it sounds like a blast. But is that really like an educational mission, the, you know, in the sort of the spirit of what that program, the Obama administration program is supposed to be about?

    GRENELL: You know, Judy did a great job of spinning the policy of Cuba ...


    GRENELL: Well, let's talk about the law, because we actually have the law. And they broke the law, there's no question. Even though ABC News reader Josh Elliott on "Good Morning America" told us, you know, calm down, no laws have been broken. So Judge Josh has already ruled. But, you know, I'm uncomfortable with ABC just immediately saying that this is a non- issue. Ben Sherwood who runs ABC News, his sister was hired by the Obama White House and worked at the Obama White House. So, what's the connection there?